Mridul Wadhwa - Male CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis

If you think MWs is a male view of rape and reframing trauma I do wonder what yours is? Her statement about this is consistent with all the feminist theories on rape therapy which say enabling the rape victim to see her rape as part of a sexist patriarchal society can help alleviate guilt and enable full recovery. She has said this is something which should be available at the end of counselling if the woman wants it

trisher

the average female is going to find this kind of language insulting and confusing.
we don't all go through life studying theoretical theories ad nauseum ......some of us live life on a far more fundamental level.
woman is raped and wants a normal down to earth talk but also emotional connecction in order to say what has happened. Not the latest BS theories
there is no getting through to you is there? Do you even understand really the concept of a safe space? It is to do with a feeling you do know about feelings though.

I am horrified at the intellectual gymnastics being performed to defend men who believe that they were meant to be women.
I am happy enough to accept some transwomen but not going to go against gut feeling that some of these people are using this concept to achieve some ambition they have. Usually this will be money and power. Like MW.
I don't know how you can claim that nothing said against MW is upheld. MW's own mouth condemns him.

Chewbacca

^I still have no knowledge of any woman who has been given a male counsellor so if you have^ proof please post

For the hard of remembering, this was posted 24th August:

An excellent article by forwomen.scot; "The Real Crisis at Rape Crisis Scotland", covers the whole debacle. This paragraph is just heartbreaking: Last night I spent an hour on the phone with a heartbroken mother of a girl who was raped by a number of teenage boys and who did not get the support she needed because she was told that a woman counsellor could not be guaranteed. She developed PTSD.” As one woman who attended a meeting with the CEO of RCS wrote: “We reached out to be told that TW are not only women, but female too. The damage that meeting caused us. For so very long. The woman who should have helped us rode all over us. For men. And a fucked up belief in queer theory. What utter bastards. The lot of them.” Why is it so difficult in services that, according to Wadhwa, were “set up with the blood, sweat, and tears of women” and whose “workforce is reserved for women only” to guarantee that a female will be a *counsellor if needed?*

Yes, Chewbacca - hard to believe that a 'feminist' would have forgotten that harrowing account in the space of four days.

Ot could it be that it didn't even register, as (a) very little that we post seems to register, and (b) that it is about a 'natal woman', so her feelings are less important than those of a transwoman.

trisher

Doodledog there is only one report of such conversations on this thread. There may be others I admit but no one has posted them.

That is not what I am asking.

You are saying with an air of certainty that there was one phone call asking about the chances of being counselled by a tw.

You have said that MW believed her gender to be female, so did not think that there was a need to mention it.

You have said that nobody else thought it was relevant either, so it was not mentioned.

What I am asking is how you know this to be true? As you have indicated, there are procedures in the workplace about making the details of personal information public, and the fact that you know these things calls that into question.

I still have no knowledge of any woman who has been given a male counsellor so if you have proof please post

For the hard of remembering, this was posted 24th August:

An excellent article by forwomen.scot; "The Real Crisis at Rape Crisis Scotland", covers the whole debacle. This paragraph is just heartbreaking: Last night I spent an hour on the phone with a heartbroken mother of a girl who was raped by a number of teenage boys and who did not get the support she needed because she was told that a woman counsellor could not be guaranteed. She developed PTSD.” As one woman who attended a meeting with the CEO of RCS wrote: “We reached out to be told that TW are not only women, but female too. The damage that meeting caused us. For so very long. The woman who should have helped us rode all over us. For men. And a fucked up belief in queer theory. What utter bastards. The lot of them.” Why is it so difficult in services that, according to Wadhwa, were “set up with the blood, sweat, and tears of women” and whose “workforce is reserved for women only” to guarantee that a female will be a counsellor if needed?

You’re carefully avoided answering the questions about MW apart from the one where you think you are right.

He's the best person for the job is he?
1. He has demonstrated a shocking lack of knowledge regarding legislation that affects women’s services, a sector in which he’s worked for over a decade.

2. He is ‘disappointed’ by the single-sex provisions allowed for in the Equality Act 2010 and finds them ‘discriminatory’ against transwomen.

3. He sided with serial litigant and period-obsessed paedophile, Jonathan Yaniv, against a group of migrant women.

4. He seems to think it suitable to discuss whether rape victims experience orgasm.

5. He openly admits to feeling powerful by "having full charge as to whether people got their food stamps or not" when working at a call centre in India.

He certainly did know a trustee at ERCC; Maggie Chapman, Chief Operating Officer, with whom he worked at the Scottish Greens, after leaving the SNP because they backed a law to allow victims of rape and sexual assault to choose the sex, rather than gender, of the person examining them.

Yup, an all round champion of all women's rights.

Mollygo scroll back through the thread I CBA

Doodledog there is only one report of such conversations on this thread. There may be others I admit but no one has posted them.

Mollygo

Excellent trisher! Your next diversion is an obsession with genitalia. I do wonder how you seem to notice posts about body parts rather than answering or commenting on the other parts of a post.
Why does it matter how small the number of rapes by TW is? In your ‘feminist’ brain does that justify allowing situations where it could happen?
The major concern is not whether the rape has been carried out by a TW, but whether the victim of a rape should be confronted with a fully loaded male claiming to be a woman when she needs help.
It’s whether she should be confronted with the male view of how she should feel, how she should ‘reframe her trauma’.
It’s whether she can rely on people being honest enough about themselves at interview to at least let others decide whether an appointment is appropriate.
I think you’re being particularly obtuse if you think any woman who has been raped would choose to be dealt with by a man, whatever he calls himself. But then . . .

Are these the questions?
I thought it was just another rant.
I didn't say the small number of rapes didn't matter I said that the number of rapes by strangers was small in contrast with the rapes by known men. Forgive me I stupidly imagined that some degree of accuracy might actually be of importance when dealing with women and rape

If you think MWs is a male view of rape and reframing trauma I do wonder what yours is? Her statement about this is consistent with all the feminist theories on rape therapy which say enabling the rape victim to see her rape as part of a sexist patriarchal society can help alleviate guilt and enable full recovery. She has said this is something which should be available at the end of counselling if the woman wants it.

I still have no knowledge of any woman who has been given a male counsellor so if you have proof please post it.
There may be transwoman working in rape centres transwomen do get raped as do men. They may prefer a trans counsellor.

“They have said she knew a trustee and was well connected”.
I get more worried about this. Candidates where I work have to declare knowledge of other people involved in a job application.
Is the implication here that the trustee also knew that the applicant was a fully loaded male TW and but did not mention it? (relevant because the job was ringfenced for a woman).
The ‘right person’ for a job can never be one who does not fit the essential criteria and TWANW.

How do you know that MW believed her trans status to be obvious? Or that there was only one phone call about the chances of being counselled by a TW?

Or that it was not mentioned at the interview?

You do seem to have a lot of inside information.

Also, if MW knew a trustee and was well connected, it would be all the more important that any conflicts of interest were declared.

If MW wasn't trans, didn't mention in an interview at Tesco something she believed was obvious and had 16 years experience in working in supermarkets of course I'd say she was innocent and she would deserve the job.
And as I have said before the protests about her trans identity contradict themselves again and again.
They have said that she knew a trustee and was well connected so surely her trans status was known. It wasn't mentioned at interview which means they either knew or she passed so well as a woman it was irrelevant.
The other point is that she was judged best candidate and personally I would rather have the best possible candidate doing the job. (that's MW's but it applies to Tesco as well)

trisher, you are backing yourself in corners, defending the indefensible, if MW wasn't trans and committed fraud and lied to get a job in say tesco would you still protest his innocence?

Mmm it still would make interesting reading especially if MW was the reason for non use then surely his job is untenable ?

But are we looking at the last straws of a desperate person?
I asked 4 questions. trisher chose to ‘answer’ one.
By supporting what she claims is right, however it is obtained, she considers it fair that her “own prejudices and beliefs should influence the provision of care for rape victims”.

trisher

So the result of all the posting and transgender criticism is that a rape centre can't function properly. Great result. Which brings me back to the question I first asked, Is it fair that your prejudices and beliefs should influence the provison of care for rape victims?

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Bridie22, trisha has already expressed the opinion that if women don’t want to use the Rape Crisis Centre any more, it is all our fault * for making a fuss.*

I'd still like to know how trisher is aware that there was only one phone call in which someone asked about the chances of getting a TW as a counsellor?

And for examples of unfounded statements that she has 'proved' to be so.

And I wouldn't mind an example of where I have said something idiotic that suggests I don't understand about access to personal information at work.

Bu no, instead we get entirely unfounded assertions that we all think that men are lining up to rape women, or to disguise themselves as TW in order to get into female prisons.

It would be interesting to view data from the Edinburgh Rape Centre to see if under the CEO of MW if natal women asking for help following a rape, if the numbers are the same or dropped .
I cant find any recent data .

But trisher, what about the rest?

Like a pea in a drum....

Mollygo

trisher!
Is MW really not a fully loaded male?
Did MW really not apply for a job that was ring fenced for women?
Did MW really conceal by omission the truth?
Did MW really not ever use the words reframe and trauma in a sentence referring to women who have been raped?

And there you have it.
MW has explained her position on reframing trauma.
I suppose at least she isn't accused of counselling women any longer. But the position of reframing the trauma is still being linked with the rape although the reframing happens with the woman's consent after counselling is finished.
But it's just a detail isn't it and details tend to reveal truths and noone wants that.

Please answer my recent posts trisher. I need to go to the gym and I can’t stand the suspense.

trisher

Peasblossom I would imagine there are very few places where anyone could guarantee you wouldn't meet a man. Even nunneries have the occasional visit from a priest.

And are the nuns seeking help after being raped?

?????????

What have I posted that was idiotic? Please stop making sweeping and unsubstantiated statements? You saying something does not make it true.