Poor baby - run home to mummy!

Annie, Grany is secretly a fan of programmes and books about the Tudor court, with spies everywhere. Of course her views wouldn’t have gone down too well in those times ...

Grany I think it is a very interesting point. Where were A's security team during all this? Did he just dismiss them so they wouldn't see anything or do they know what really happened. As representatives of the law shouldn't they have reported things?

You must be joking trisher. Epstein committed suicide in jail after the release of incriminating documents, and she claimed damages from his estate. Maxwell being detained awaiting trial didn’t prevent a similar claim. Both of which were settled out of court. Pigs might, as they say.

The above was in response to your post of 9.47 trisher. As regards your post of 9.50, you are assuming there was something to report, i.e. you have decided he is guilty. And you’re now deciding that the security guards are complicit. Just how close do you think close security is?

Well having seen the security people escorting Eugenie to night clubs when she was a student in Newcastle Gemanshepherdsmum I know the security is pretty close. It wouldn't really be security if it wasn't would it?

Surely security teams don’t report every move back trisher ?

They are employed to safeguard not spy.

If it is true that Andrew danced with Giuffre do you really believe his security team reported - he is dancing with a girl.

All members of the royal family’s security team report back
every move they make ?

Andrew is not asked to be a witness, he is being sued by Giuffre,
how can he be a witness ?

No I wouldn't have expected them to say he danced with a girl, but they would undoubtedly have known where he was that night. If he was at the Pizzahut they could have confirmed it. I wonder why they didn't?
He was asked to be a witness in 2020 Annie I've said this before. He has never cooperated You have to wonder why?

A witness to what trisher ?

To the trafficking, paedophilia, prostitution, and many other illegalities his good friends Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell were involved in Annie. But of course when he visited the home and island Epstein used for his activities Andrew saw nothing. In the words of another exploited woman "Well he would say that wouldn't he"

Mandy Rice-Davies, an exploited woman !

Quite Annie. It seems it’s become the fashion to describe any woman who’s got into prostitution of her own free will as having been exploited.

trisher, of course security guards escorted Eugenie to night clubs. I doubt they would follow her or anyone else into a bedroom though.

No GSM but what about the Pizzahut? If he was there why not prove it.Everyone then thinks poor old Andrew being blamed for something he didn't do. Or are you saying he could go into a city centre restaurant without security?

Mandy Rice Davies was 16 when she was first involved in the dodgy London underworld and 18 when she moved in with Peter Rachman. So perhaps not a real choice of lifestyle?

Germanshepardsmum* so confusing, Mandy Rice-Davies ,
Christine Keeler and others were in trisher’s opinion exploited.

In my opinion Ghislaine Maxwell was and is a woman who has
deep emotional problems but this is of no interest because she
is wealthy.

Why not a choice trisher ? She chose to leave home to live and work as a dancer in London , you think no teenage girl
can make their own choices

I think children need protection from men who will use them for their own purposes Annie you are ooviously quite happy to see them exploited. She was actually a model to begin with and then became a dancer but of course both of those terms indicate someone has low morals and who doesn't deserve the protection of the law.
Talk about distraction. Let's go back to the dodgy prince and where he might have been. Pizzahut-highly unlikely.

trisher you brought Mandy Rice Davies into the discussion

Andrew’s daughter has no recollection of the party when she was 12, the family who hosted the party confirmed she was at
the party that afternoon but not Andrew.

I don’t believe the pizza hut claim , why wasn’t Fergie there

trisher, how can you claim that Annie is ‘obviously quite happy to see [teenage girls] exploited’. What a ridiculous and insulting thing to say. There is nothing to suggest that Mandy Rice Davies didn’t make her own choices as to what she did and the company she kept. Anyway as Annie said, your mention of her is a complete distraction.

However people have been stating their points -

Virginia Roberts was a child.

Mandy Rice-Davies was a child.

You can believe, if you want, that they had complete agency in their decisions, but don't expect others - or the law - to agree with you.

I can only base my views on evidence Gsm No support for MRD, no support for VG. Apparently they made their choices.
Perhaps it is because the men who exploited both girls were rich and white, and rich white men can't be involved in such things can they? (of course they can and they can cover things up much more successfully)

Evidence trisher? I must have missed that.

Anniebach

Why not a choice trisher ? She chose to leave home to live and work as a dancer in London , you think no teenage girl
can make their own choices

So she chose to be exploited GSM?

MRD chose to offer sex to men who would pay for it. She was old enough to know what she was doing. Above the age of consent, not a child. I remember the trial. If anyone was exploited in that matter it wasn’t her or Keeler.

Mandy Rice Davies never considered herself a victim which is the material point. She was one very clever lady actually.

That is your opinion GSM she was 15 when she started working in London, 16 when she started work as a model, 18 when she moved in with Rachman (not a man known for offering choices to people).
Interestingly it has been said that Stephen Ward who is said to have committed suicide was encouraged to do so by an MI6 officer because he had information about a member of the RF.
Funny old world isn't it????

Germanshepherdsmum

MRD chose to offer sex to men who would pay for it. She was old enough to know what she was doing. Above the age of consent, not a child. I remember the trial. If anyone was exploited in that matter it wasn’t her or Keeler.

And again - if you are going to argue semantics - the legal definition of a child is someone under the age of majority not someone over the age of consent.