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Coal fired power stations being used because of electricity shortages

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25Avalon Tue 07-Sept-21 10:31:15

According to an article by the BBC old coal fired power stations have been fired up as there is a shortage of electricity for the National Grid due to wind farms not operating in windless conditions. Ironic when carbon neutral pledges have been made. One wonders just how practical they are. We will be using more electricity not less in the future with electric cars, no gas boilers etc. The exigencies of the moment result in fossil fuels being used. Are we going to have umpteen nuclear power stations to cope? If sea levels rise as much as they say why are they built on the coast? How will the radioactive waste be dealt with? We seem damned either way, although Scotland may be OK with HEP.

Alegrias1 Tue 07-Sept-21 14:32:17

Nuclear waste? Any takers?

Krispii Tue 07-Sept-21 14:36:06

Peasblossom

Krispii

Peasblossom

Nope. Looked it up.

Four coal fired boilers that generate steam that drives generators.

So I think it is smoke from those four towers.

From one who worked at Didcot Power Station (now demolished)...
The four boilers will all share the chimney stack - the other towers are cooling towers and that will be steam that you can see.
For four boilers, there would usually be a total of eight cooling towers. Didcot was a bit of an anomaly as it had four boilers and six cooling towers (to reduce the visual impact to the Thames Valley)!!

Thank you.?

And to think Ivevsoent years and years angering about those big clouds of smoke hovering over some of.my family, when they were only steam all along?

So does the smoke come out of the single tall chimney?

Yes - that's how it works. If you look really closely at the top of the stack, you may be able to see four separate chimneys.
Our power station was always known as the 'cloud factory' creating white steam clouds against a blue sky - or even localised snow if it was cold!

Namsnanny Tue 07-Sept-21 14:44:18

Alegrias1

Nuclear waste? Any takers?

Yep me for one.
I'll put my money where my mouth is!! ??
Along with quite a few eminent scientist.

Alegrias1 Tue 07-Sept-21 14:47:26

I'd really like to see some references explaining why I don't have to worry about it, seriously Namsnanny

ps - I used to be an eminent scientist so I won't be bamboozled by science. Well, I like to think I was eminent wink

Namsnanny Tue 07-Sept-21 14:49:38

Of course you are, I wouldn't doubt it.
As such I'm sure you have access to the relevant information names and research.

Callistemon Tue 07-Sept-21 14:51:01

Alegrias1

Nuclear waste? Any takers?

Yes.

Passing on the problems to future generations to deal with.

M0nica Tue 07-Sept-21 14:52:21

Krispii we obviously live quite close. As i too live near Didcot Power Station and I am on the power station's Local Liaison Committtee.

Namsnanny Tue 07-Sept-21 14:58:51

BTW I didn't say it would all be plain sailing.

Of course there will be some difficulties.

I understand the concern about waste.
A lot less is produced now, as it's possible to extract more energy.
This will be be improved as time rolls on.

But I dont want to sound as if I'm teaching grannies to suck eggs
I'm quite sure you're very knowledgeable on the subject.

Alegrias1 Tue 07-Sept-21 15:01:40

Oh, okey doke. No references then.

This is interesting; world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-cycle/nuclear-wastes/radioactive-waste-management.aspx

Nuclear waste is neither particularly hazardous nor hard to manage relative to other toxic industrial waste.

in countries with nuclear power, radioactive waste comprises a very small proportion of total industrial hazardous waste generated.

I think they're being economic with the truth...but in the absence of any actual scientific papers telling me I'm wrong, and since half lives and the radiation characteristics of radioisotopes haven't actually changed in the last 40 years, since I first learnt why they are so unsustainably dangerous, (you canna change the laws of physics, remember?) I'll just stick with my point of view.

Nuclear fusion now, if we would only put some effort into that.

Alegrias1 Tue 07-Sept-21 15:03:13

A lot less is produced now, as it's possible to extract more energy.

Smaller holes under the ocean then.

M0nica Tue 07-Sept-21 15:16:34

Ah, nuclear fusion, the key to endless free eectricity with no after affects.

The trouble is that it is always at least 20 years in the future and has been the whole of my adult life and is likely to be for some time to come.

Alegrias1 Tue 07-Sept-21 15:23:50

Indeed, M0nica, no arguments from me.

We could give it a go though smile

M0nica Tue 07-Sept-21 15:25:59

Its a hot day, lets leave it for now.

Namsnanny Tue 07-Sept-21 15:27:22

Passing on the problem for future generations.

It was always thus though callistemon
Each generation has to change to meet it's current demands.

Pea soup fogs dont exist here anymore, a legacy from the industrial revolution.
As consequence ww1&2 a rebuilding of Europe was undertaken.
I dont see it as passing on a problem when today's experts are working hard on the subject.

Alegrias1 Tue 07-Sept-21 15:27:55

Now, solar, there's an idea!! ☀

Enjoy the weather smile

NotSpaghetti Tue 07-Sept-21 18:04:15

Did you see this in the news about a week ago?
www.google.com/amp/s/www.imperial.ac.uk/news/228373/major-nuclear-fusion-milestone-reached-ignition/amp/

Namsnanny Tue 07-Sept-21 19:29:03

Well, I didnt but I expect some others on here did.

Thanks for the link NotSpaghetti

Alegrias1 Tue 07-Sept-21 19:44:39

No, I'd missed it on the news, but I did see it on the IoP site. Thanks for posting that NotSpaghetti.

Regarding the OP - did anyone see on the news that they are proposing to open a new coal mine? confused

Callistemon Tue 07-Sept-21 19:45:28

Yes, in Cumbria.
We import coal now anyway.

25Avalon Tue 07-Sept-21 19:53:39

The one in Cumbria is for the steel works.

M0nica Tue 07-Sept-21 21:33:50

yes, I saw the nuclear fission news item. News like this on fusion comes out every year or two, but somehow then fizzle out.

I will continue to think that fusion is at least 20 years ahead, until they have a close to full size prototype up and running.

NotSpaghetti Tue 07-Sept-21 23:11:23

I think it's a clear move forward this time M0nica. I've been waiting for this since the early 70s when I was first aware.
This time they have ignition which is new.

Namsnanny Wed 08-Sept-21 10:12:23

I'd like to err on the side of positivity too NotSpaghetti.
It is true that the difficulties seem insurmountable, but they keep on trying.
The rewards would be tremendous for the first one past the post.

NotSpaghetti Wed 08-Sept-21 11:56:03

I was simply stating that we are a bit closer to fusion this time.
I'm not exactly positive yet!

Namsnanny Wed 08-Sept-21 18:13:58

Well, when I used the term positive, I mean I'm more positive that this step is leading to a positive outcome.
What do you mean?
I just dont always express myself clearly.