Latest from Mridul Wadhwa

And we’re back to rights. Why are a small number of trans and a small number of posters on here, demanding rights that directly override the existing rights of others?
Being gay means you are attracted to other males. Being lesbian (even a butch lesbian) means you are attracted to females.
Being heterosexual means you are attracted to the opposite sex.
Saying that doesn’t make you transphobic. Saying you don’t want to be deceived by a person hoping for a relationship isn’t transphobic either.

trisher Just don't think your views can or should be imposed on others. Did you type that with a straight face, oh the irony? I find your homophobic accusations towards Mr Menno distasteful in the extreme.

Rosie51 strange as it may seem it is possible to disagree with gay man without being homophobic. Mr Memno is entitled to do what he wants with whomsoever he wants, but he isn't entitled to deny some people exist, he isn't entitled to decide what information goes into a sexual health leflet or to criticise others for putting in information he doesn't agree with There's one simple solution to that -don't read it.
There is a long history of transphobia amongst gay men it is closely linked to cis white gay men and the concept that they are actually in some ways privileged.

I am still waiting for those who believe transmen are really women to explain the feminist theory behind that.

Presumably you also believe that the trans lobby are not entitled to their view that homosexuality does not exist, that those who are attracted to the same sex are denying their trans nature and that the way forward is gay erasure.

These are all well published views of the trans lobby that you support.

The long history of transphobia that you refer to is also a long history of homophobia from the trans community. As you demonstrate in your posts.

Peaseblossom if you would like to post some evidence of those assertions I would like to see them. As the trans commuity has existed for a relatively short time I do wonder how it can have a "long history" of anything
As it is I refer you to my earlier post. It covers all rights, all identities, all sexual preferences, orientation and most other things. We are all equal. We all have rights. One person gaining more rights does not reduce my rights. One person losing those rights threatens us all.

the people who claim to be feminists are here questioning the rights of people they consider women to live their lives as they wish and supporting the views of a man who hates vaginas

I don't consider transwomen to be women. That is the point.
Mr Menno, as far as I know, does not hate vaginas but does not want to interact with a vagina in any way at all.

If it wasn't for the questionable and highly dangerous organisations who choose to fund and exploit this sort of prejudice I'd actually be laughing my hat off.
What organisations?

Are you unaware of the interests of huge pharmaceutical companies which are promoting this agenda?

I am still waiting for those who believe transmen are really women to explain the feminist theory behind that.

Transmen have female bodies so they are women.
Gay men do not want to have sex with women.
HTH.

Here's a link FarNorth the rise of the far right in Europe is frightening and well funded www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/revealed-trump-linked-us-christian-fundamentalists-pour-millions-of-dark-money-into-europe-boosting-the-far-right/

But if transmen are women FarNorth shouldn't they have the right to decide their own identity and the way they are addressed? Or are they just the wrong sort of women?

the trans “community” has been around as long as the gay ‘community”. It is now finding its voice and expressing its views. Which are that homosexuality does not exist, that it is a denial of transsexuality and that it must be erased.

Are you comfortable with that agenda? Would you say the trans community has the right to impose this view on others? the denial that some people exist that you feel so strongly about when applied to trans people.

Why are you not equally concerned at what is being attempted by the agenda of gay erasure?

Only one reason I can think of.

And thinking there shouldn't be advice on vaginas in a sexual health booklet for men is nothing to do with finding them sexually attractive.

The leaflet was for gay men & bi men. It gave advice on 'looking after your vagina' obviously because some men may have vaginas.
(They don't really.)

What is your definition of 'gay' trisher? Did gay people just imagine they were attracted to people of the same sex? Were they really attracted to a 'gender presentation'?

'Wrong sort of women'? The sort that tries to deny reality?
What if someone denies the reality of gravity, or of poisonous substances?
Is their view valid?

Here are some tweets from transman Scott Newgent.
Scott was misled by a doctor who sells phalloplasty surgery. Contrary to the doctor's claims, Scott's arm is permanently damaged.
The 'penis' provided by this surgery will not be a functioning organ as you seem to imagine, trisher.
Scott is a mutilated female and is well aware of that fact.

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Here are the tweets.

FarNorth I am sure there are some people who will be disastisfied with the surgery they undergo for any reason, but particularly when that surgery changes their physical appearance. There are also people who really should have counselling before they undergo any surgery. There are undoubtedly surgeons who mis-sell and over promise on results. It happens with all sorts of surgery including the operations undergone by trans people. Quite what your point is I don't know.

As regards the transman you think is a woman. You deny their existance because you disagree with them? What is feminist about that? You refuse to use the pronoun they prefer. What is feminist about that? You think they shouldn't have language changed to make it more inclusive . What is feminist about that?

Who is denying anyone their existence. I dont believe in God my saying that doesnt deny the existence of Christians.

I think transmen and transwomen exist if that's any help to you.

Your views on the trans agenda of gay erasure, trisher?

Throughout history various extremist groups have sought to eradicate homosexuality. The trans movement follows a well documented path.

First to establish the persecuting group as the ones who are disadvantaged.
Then seek validation through legitimate channels.
Assume positions of power.
Then to identify a group/groups who are not conforming to the agenda and single them out.
Silence those who protest through physical intimidation or threat of loss of job, family, position in society.
Propose a policy of removal, progressing to erasure.

Sound familiar to anyone?

FarNorth, even worse for Scott, as there were no regulations, only guidelines for the surgery, suing the doctor is fruitless.
It provides a good reason for selfID, but
Transmen are female. Transwomen are male. I don’t care what they call themselves. Most of them are not anxious to push themselves and their choice into the public arena. Lovely that some have been living in their chosen gender without the need to force themselves onto unwilling people.

I only care when the small, but increasing number try and claim that their selfID gives them rights which negate the rights of others.

Peaseblossom how many times do I have to say it no one has the right to impose their ideas on any other person. Trans, hetero, gay, bi or any other sex, gender or sexual persuasion.

As for
First to establish the persecuting group as the ones who are disadvantaged.
Then seek validation through legitimate channels.
Assume positions of power.
Then to identify a group/groups who are not conforming to the agenda and single them out.
Silence those who protest through physical intimidation or threat of loss of job, family, position in society.
Propose a policy of removal, progressing to erasure.
Are you being ironic? Or do you really not appreciate the policies and actions of the TERF promoters are doing exactly this. Including seeking to replace a white patriarchy with a predominately white matriarchy which denies the existence of trans people.

Mollygo so will you address transmen as "he"? and allow them to be "birthing people"?

Just to counteract this false narrative yet again, the last four cases which challenged these issues were by women from the BAME community.

But who are the leaders of the TERF movement Galaxy are they BAME?
This is interesting
gender.stanford.edu/news-publications/gender-news/clayman-conversations-three-scholars-examine-terf-industrial-complex

Big think we are going down the route if no safe spaces for women. Political correctness has gone loopy. Minority groups are just that, we don’t change everything for everyone.