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Shemima Begum

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grannyrebel7 Wed 15-Sept-21 18:47:36

Did anyone see the interview on Good Morning Britain today? In case you don't remember this was one of the girls that ran off to join Isis back in 2015. She has been stripped of her UK citizenship but is now begging to be allowed back into the country. I don't know what to think about this case as you could argue that she was a young impressionable teenager who was groomed online I suppose. However, she didn't come across like that and gave the impression that she wasn't really sorry. Even when asked about her three children who died and her two friends, she didn't really seem that upset. I don't think by giving that interview that she did herself any favours. I know there was a huge backlash on Twitter against her. Who knows the truth? I will keep an open mind on this one.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 16-Sept-21 10:25:42

I acknowledge she was radicalised/groomed to become a Jihadi Bride , she has had to bury all three of her children.

Some of the atrocities she has seen and been party to are dreadful.

My suspicion was aroused when watching the full interview on GMB yesterday morning. She is being kept in a Northern Syrian Refugee Camp, this is a strict Muslim enclave however, Shamima is shown wearing Western clothes, baring her shoulders, makeup, jewellery and a neat manicure, how has this been achieved? Is she being manipulated by Daesh still? She was constantly looking off camera before she answered a question?

By all means bring her back to stand trial, but treat her as a danger to the UK at all times.

The full Burka didn’t work a few years ago and the all Western Girl doesn’t work today…

bikergran Thu 16-Sept-21 10:23:25

I did watch the interview and found it robotic. I don't know anything other than what the media has portrayed. It seemed rehearsed and without any emotion what so ever.

I got the feeling she was trying to "bargain" with the UK, sort of "let me come back and I will tell you everything secrets and all"

Zoejory Thu 16-Sept-21 10:22:00

crazyH

Her “your country” says it all …….

Why?

She's been stripped of her UK citizenship. It's not her country any more.

Maybe that's why she says that.

henetha Thu 16-Sept-21 10:21:00

I much prefer to believe Sajid Javid than this young woman. It's not just the fact of her leaving to join Isis, it's her whole attitude. I don't trust her one bit.

trisher Thu 16-Sept-21 10:15:22

Under International law she qualifies as being a child soldier. Child soldiers are traditionally regarded as boys forced to fight and kill. but significant numbers of girls are recruited as 'wives' or sex slaves. Her behaviour and attitude shows real evidence of the desensitisation such people show. If you are at all interested theres more here theirworld.org/explainers/child-soldiers#section-1
It's time we recognised the awful things that happen to women and girls.

crazyH Thu 16-Sept-21 10:11:42

Her “your country” says it all …….

Chewbacca Thu 16-Sept-21 10:11:22

I can see both sides here; yes she was a young, impressionable and vulnerable girl who had no idea what she was getting herself into when she joined ISIS and was, in all probability groomed. She is our responsibility and we have already repatriated other ISIS members back to the UK, so, why not her? However, I can also see why people are so disbelieving of her remorse and apologies. She's been interviewed several times since being in an internment camp and has steadfastly refused to acknowledge that ISIS is a terrorist group that she enabled and supported nor has she shown any regret or remorse until now. Apologies that are given, only when one's back is against the wall and you're absolutely desperate to exonerate yourself from wrongdoing, are worthless; she's had plenty of opportunities to express herself in the past but chose not to.
Savid Javid appears to have more conclusive information on her involvement in Syria than she's, even now, willing to admit. I'd need to know more before casting my vote.

Whatdayisit Thu 16-Sept-21 10:09:36

I do not understand when those who say don't let her back in why they think that Britain is a safer place without her. Surely it is similar now to the situation with Afghanistan? They are loose cannons.
Why can't she be tried for her alleged crimes? that is what our constitution is based on. For those saying if she moved in next door - then she would have done her time it's called rehabilitation.
How many lives have been saved by The Good Friday agreement? How many innocents were lost because of Government's refusal to speak to the IRA. And how fragile is that peace process since Teresa May rode roughshod over it forming her Westminster Coalition with the DUP.
Begum was a child when she left this country and we are responsible for what happened to her and we should take on that responsibility not kowtow to the readers of the tabloids.

foxie48 Thu 16-Sept-21 09:45:50

The girls who were groomed by gangs of men in Rotherham etc were seen by the police and social services as "bad" girls who were prostituting themselves and taking drugs because that was their decision. Thank goodness society eventually recognised what had happened to them. The young girls and boys who were radicalised and helped to travel to Syria IMO were in exactly the same category, just as those vulnerable school kids who get sucked into right wing groups and those that get drawn into county lines operations. At 15/16 children's brains are very "plastic", they are not always good at decision making and are much more likely to indulge in risk taking. This girl has had 4 children and 3 have died, her jihadi husband is dead and she has witnessed the most dreadful acts of violence. If she had objected to anything she saw or was told to do no doubt she would have been the next for the chop, literally. People expect her to behave normally after going through that as a teenager? Where is your compassion and empathy? Bring her home and let her stand trial.

Sarnia Thu 16-Sept-21 07:56:17

I wouldn't let her back into Britain at any price. She happily went of her own free will. She has witnessed atrocities that, in her own words, didn't faze her. She has made her bed, let her lie on it. Letting her back in would open the floodgates to others like her. We don't need them.

Sallywally1 Thu 16-Sept-21 07:51:03

If she is allowed back to the UK then her Jihadi ‘husband’ will automatically be allowed to join her., on the grounds that he has a ‘right’ to a family life.

Before wasting our sympathy on this woman think of all the victims this evil group perpetrated. Sympathise with the Yazidi people and the aid workers such as Alan Henning who went to help and was beheaded and many many other innocent people who were murdered.

Lincslass Thu 16-Sept-21 07:27:11

I cannot believe this is even being discussed. The woman will say anything to try and get into peoples good books. Her lawyer quoted as saying”the boys are back in town’, he’s as bad as she is. She is not British, she was denationalised, she is not to be trusted. She should not and will not be allowed to tread our streets again.I for one am saying no more on this

BlueBelle Thu 16-Sept-21 07:21:50

I remember at 15 being totally in love with a man in his late 20s and separated from his wife he was my saviour out of a boring life he was my future I was SO in love I m sure I would have followed him to anywhere and then he dumped me and I came back down to earth with a bang
Surely we have a duty to this girl we can’t shrug our shoulders and be so cruel I don’t mean put the red carpet out for her if she needs to be watched or prosecuted then so be it but for those saying leave her to rot don’t you have an once if compassion and humanity in your bones nothing is as cut and dried as that

Oldwoman70 Thu 16-Sept-21 06:28:40

Her comments about the Manchester bombing being "justified" lost her any sympathy people felt for her. This comment was made after she had claimed to have changed and wanted to return to UK. Remember the organisation she joined has told its supporters to return to their home countries and continue the fight there. Would those advocating her return be happy for her to live next door and spend time with their children and grandchildren?

SueDonim Thu 16-Sept-21 00:33:16

I don’t have any sympathy for her and I note she isn’t sorry for what she did, she’s only sorry if people were offended by it. However, I also think it’s better to keep your enemies close. If she was in the UK she could be monitored more easily than in Syria or Bangladesh, which I think is her dual-citizen county.

Urmstongran Wed 15-Sept-21 23:00:45

At least she has the latest Sports Direct gear to cheer her up.

Whatdayisit Wed 15-Sept-21 22:37:05

Gwyneth

I would prefer to trust what Sajid Javid says rather than Begum. It’s too big a risk to allow her back into the UK.

I completely agree with Trisher. We need to take responsibility. Leaving her out helps nobody.
The Western clothes seemed staged. She should be true to herself and be allowed to stand trial.
If sajid knows so much then she will be found guilty as charged.
She is a loose cannon as she is and may become a martyr. I feel very uncomfortable stripping her of British citizenship take responsibility.

JenniferEccles Wed 15-Sept-21 22:24:34

Yes Sajid Javid’s comments were I think the most significant aspect of this case.

There is clearly a lot about this woman’s involvement with ISIS that we know nothing about, yet what we do know is horrific enough.

It was completely the right decision to strip her of her British citizenship.

The woman is potentially a danger to us, and, yes, what was the perfect manicure all about?

Poverty stricken in a refugee camp? It just doesn’t add up.

Gillycats Wed 15-Sept-21 22:24:10

If she comes back she will pose a huge threat to national security. So if she comes back she needs to be jailed for a very very long time. The problem with that is that the snowflakes will kick off about her human rights. She knew what she was doing, she’s educated and articulate. It’s a tough call maybe but our safety must not be compromised.

Jackiest Wed 15-Sept-21 22:21:39

No sympathy for her and don't want her back but on the other hand I don't think any other country wants her and I don't think we have the right to pass our problems onto other innocent countries. So if I was Syria I would shove her on a plane and send her back where she came from. Which is here. What we do with her is up to us.

Smileless2012 Wed 15-Sept-21 22:04:49

I agree with you too Kandinsky.

A "would-be-adviser to the Government" Callistemonshock heaven help us all.

Forsythia Wed 15-Sept-21 22:03:18

No sympathy whatsoever. Watched her on six o’clock news and she kept referring to ‘your country’, the British etc. Clearly doesn’t see herself as British or the UK being her country. Just will say whatever she can to get what she wants. And I do wonder at the ITVs continued interest and promoting of her so called cause. Also, how easy it is for them to have access to her. All seems very strange to me.

Calendargirl Wed 15-Sept-21 21:58:12

Kandinsky

Zero sympathy & hope she never returns.

Agreed,

Callistemon Wed 15-Sept-21 21:33:46

She appears to be desensitised and not to understand the reality of her actions.

Now she sees herself as a would-be advisor to the Government.

Perhaps she should be brought back, tried and imprisoned but none of us know the full facts of what she has done so we're in no position to judge.

VioletSky Wed 15-Sept-21 21:32:47

trisher

She was born in Britain, she grew up in Bitain, she was radicalised in Britain. It's time we started taking responsibility for our citizens and their crimes. She should be tried in Britain and if found guilty of any crime spend her time in a British prison.

I completely agree. Her mind is broken and she needs help