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when gender blinds us to sex

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trisher Sun 24-Oct-21 10:22:47

Personally I thnk our rape law needs completely revising it is old fashioned and fails to take account of some horrific attacks which can't be described as rape. The USA has revised theirs it now reads “The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”
I think there is a case for recording sex crimes with the sex of the offender, but I'm not sure this needs to be done for other offences. If a transwoman doesn't pay her TV licence does her sex matter?

Chewbacca Sun 24-Oct-21 10:22:42

inclusivity for everybody, everywhere & in every circumstance "

timetogo2016 Sun 24-Oct-21 10:20:10

Me too GrannyGravy13.

Aveline Sun 24-Oct-21 10:13:43

Well done Priti for cutting through this nonsense!

Chewbacca Sun 24-Oct-21 10:12:06

In England and Wales, almost 57% of trans-identified male inmates have been charged with at least one sex offense, compared to 17% of non-trans male inmates, and just 2% of biologically female inmates.

In 2019, Freedom of Information requests made by feminist activists revealed that at least six police forces in the UK had been recording criminals based on self-identified gender rather than sex.

Speaking to The Times after the data was received, Nicola Williams, director of Fair Play for Women, said: “You can’t get much more of a male crime than rape. It would be highly offensive to a woman who was raped to have it written down that her attacker was a female when clearly that was a male with a penis."

I really hope that, this time, the tide is turning and women's safety will no longer be sacrificed on the alter of "inclusivity for everybody, everywhere".

petunia Sun 24-Oct-21 10:10:48

You are so right Rosie
Actually, these past couple of weeks has seen a light shine brightly into trans issues and more people are willing to speak out about their concerns. These issues do need closer scrutiny. Lets start with this cohort of rapists!

Chewbacca Sun 24-Oct-21 10:04:52

In 2020, in English prisons, 74 male prisoners who identify as women were serving sentences for sex offences compared to 125 women. Of those 125 women, some may be people who may be biologically male but have a GRC as they are automatically counted as being female.

Blossoming Sun 24-Oct-21 10:01:29

My word, Priti Patel has actually done something useful! I hope this will apply to all sex offenders.

Rosie51 Sun 24-Oct-21 09:59:19

It's not just those crimes, child sex offenders have also been recorded as female offenders despite being in possession of full working male bodies. There was that case of a "woman" who was accessing pornographic images of children from a hospital bed. Because sexual abuse crimes are so rare amongst women even a small number of males being recorded as females skews the figures hugely.
Let's hope this thread doesn't get pulled, it's a subject that needs examining.

Chewbacca Sun 24-Oct-21 09:56:49

There is a poll open to sign to petition that the sex of perpetrators, as well as gender, should be recorded when convicted of a sex crime.


petition.parliament.uk/petitions/590123

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 24-Oct-21 09:49:29

Yes it is good. I realise the figure of 436 covers a six year period but it is nevertheless very worrying. I hope this isn’t belittled and ‘put into context’ by those determined to protect the ‘rights’ of trans people at all costs. You know who you are.

Smileless2012 Sun 24-Oct-21 09:25:45

This is good. "Most of the time it doesn't really matter how an individual identifies. Until suddenly it does matter". I totally agree petunia and TBH when it comes to the language some used by some surrounding this issue, I'm finding it more and more disturbing.

Galaxy Sun 24-Oct-21 09:05:17

Thank God forcing women who have been raped or assaulted to use she in court about their attacker is further abuse of that woman.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 24-Oct-21 09:01:16

I agree with Priti Patel on this.

Chewbacca Sun 24-Oct-21 08:56:13

Thanks petunia I read about this last night. Priti Patel has done nothing, thus far, that I can admire her for but I'm very glad to see that she's addressed this. I've been following the Nolan reports and they're a very informative and interesting listen.

petunia Sun 24-Oct-21 08:48:21

Priti Patel has stated that no longer will trans women's crimes be recorded as a woman's crime. How can public services plan and organise if the data they have is not accurate? In the piece in the Mail today, this was said

“In law, only a male can commit rape, but analysis by Professor Alice Sullivan of University College London shows that between 2012 and 2018, a total of 436 people prosecuted for rape were recorded as women”. This is clearly bonkers!

By recording the crime of rape as committed by a woman, crime figures are skewed. Between 2012 and 2018 we did not suddenly have several hundred women on the streets attacking and raping other women. We had 436 men raping women. But the police and justice system chose, in an effort to be inclusive and putting ideology before biology, to record those crimes as women's crimes. We also had 436 women who probably had to use female pronouns to describe their rapists actions. Of those transwomen convicted and given a prison sentence, how many talked their way into a female prison?

Most of the time it doesn't really matter how an individual identifies. Until suddenly it does matter.


If you have some time on your hands, this series of podcasts on BBC Sounds gives some explanation as to how we got so bemused between sex and gender

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p09yk1fy