Meghan on the Ellen show.

She should apologise, it was unkind and unnecessary

Lucca

Now. I think I am in fact owed an apology.

Come on Lucca!
One apology only per thread!
(tickingbird has had two, mind you)

Sincere apologies Tickingbird. You did not use the expression degenerate. You simply supported the person who did.

Whenever I see Meghan now, I recall Big Daddy’s words from Cat on a Hot Tin Roof:
‘The odour of mendacity”.

Now. I think I am in fact owed an apology.

Calistemon

^Ambition and drive don't even come into the question when everything is handed to you on a plate.^ True, trisher, I was thinking that as I type my post.

However, one of them has to have ambition and drive now they have left the Royal Family and it looks like it's Meghan.

Now that last I agree with Calistemon. Meghan has drive, purpose, ambition and works hard.

tickingbird

*Lucca*. That’s a very slippery straw you’re attempting to clutch!

Your ‘evidence’ merely proves you and others are wrong. If you can’t bring yourself to apologise that’s fine, I won’t lose any sleep over it but it speaks volumes about your character.

Oh dear. The exact opposite. I was actually backing you up by showing that the trail of posts had started with nanna8’ post and followed by Sarnia and that your post was last and not connected.

As an aside, I have always taught in the private sector and was Headmistress for over a decade. Parents were always told "We can't make Henry the Helicopter if we are only given the parts for Thomas the Tank Engine." Private education can't buy brains, and most of the fee paying customers do actually accept that.
However, handing it on a plate helps no one.

typed

Ambition and drive don't even come into the question when everything is handed to you on a plate. True, trisher, I was thinking that as I type my post.

However, one of them has to have ambition and drive now they have left the Royal Family and it looks like it's Meghan.

Daisend1

Undignified ?is too kind a description .Childish more like.
Who now will take her seriously ?
She most surely did the right thing when making her exit from our royal family .

Isn't that just it Daisend1? She has so many sides to her we don't know which one to believe. No one can truly jump that quickly from persona to persona without faking the half of it. She is reasonably good at acting those parts, I guess. I think somewhere along the line she has been false and dishonest, so we now cannot trust anything she says or does.

Calistemon

Germanshepherdsmum

Diana openly admitted she only got 2 O levels. Charles wasn’t very academically gifted either yet ‘somehow’ got a place at Cambridge. Harry takes after his parents in the brains department. I think William did a bit better but doubtless someone will check.

I know someone who didn't get any grades above D in GCSE. She left school and got a job. Later on, as a single Mum, she took an OU degree, then a Masters and is now a criminal psychologist.
She's not the only one I know who succeeded despite school.

Success is not always reliant upon academic qualifications either, ambition and drive are vital too.

That's true but most children don't get the level of education provided at private schools with their much smaller classes and tutoring for children who fall behind. Charles , William and Harry got the best education money can buy and still didn't manage much but low-average.
Ambition and drive don't even come into the question when everything is handed to you on a plate.

My dad failed his 11 plus and worked his way up from tea boy to become Chief Financial Adviser for one of the major utility companies.
I however have been very academically successful, but in reality, could be seen as a complete failure.
So when I said that Harry ‘wasn’t very bright’ I do realise that it wasn’t a great thing to say.

Undignified ?is too kind a description .Childish more like.
Who now will take her seriously ?
She most surely did the right thing when making her exit from our royal family .

Germanshepherdsmum

Diana openly admitted she only got 2 O levels. Charles wasn’t very academically gifted either yet ‘somehow’ got a place at Cambridge. Harry takes after his parents in the brains department. I think William did a bit better but doubtless someone will check.

I know someone who didn't get any grades above D in GCSE. She left school and got a job. Later on, as a single Mum, she took an OU degree, then a Masters and is now a criminal psychologist.
She's not the only one I know who succeeded despite school.

Success is not always reliant upon academic qualifications either, ambition and drive are vital too.

Judging by her behaviour, I think Meghan probably IS a fun loving person, as was Harry's mother. In the Ellen de G interview she says that she, Harry and Eugenie went out disguised to party on Hallowe'en because it was last time she could behave in that way before the relationship became public. So she was obviously very aware that things would change for her and yet she readily accepted the challenge. What we will never know is whether she was really prepared to become a royal in the traditional sense (as she hinted at in the engagement interview), or whether she had it in her mind all along just to move on once she had achieved her aim. I tend to now think the latter.

Tickingbird just returning to acknowledge that yes, I was in the wrong.
You didn’t actually call Ellen ‘degenerate’; rather you challenged me for saying that I thought that many people knew the origins of the insult.
Apologies for creating the mixup.

tickingbird

Oh dear Beswitched you are in a tizz. Now I’m saying this very slowly for you so you don’t get confused. I t. W a s N o t. M e. T h a t. R e f e r r e d T o. ED’S. S u r n a m e I t W a s. A n o t h e r. P o s t e r.

I’m nothing if not magnanimous as I can see you’re struggling.

whereas this is perfectly pleasant

tickingbird if you can't even be pleasant to people who are trying to help you, by pointing out the truth of the matter, then that's a very sad state of affairs.

Zoejory. The voice of reason and fairness.

Too many incidents on these forums where members are accused of posting comments either posted by others or just invented and then others run with it.

Lucca. That’s a very slippery straw you’re attempting to clutch!

Your ‘evidence’ merely proves you and others are wrong. If you can’t bring yourself to apologise that’s fine, I won’t lose any sleep over it but it speaks volumes about your character.

Crikey, I had no idea Ellen deG is 63! Not bad for her age!

I haven't watched the clip or the show but get the gist. It's just the format for these sort of segments on the show isn't it? They are often cringeworthy even on shows in this country but some people like that sort of humour.

maddyone

It’s been reported that Meghan wore an ear piece and Ellen gave her instructions to do strange things such as nibble food like a chipmunk, and say strange things, and other strange instructions in front of some stall holders. It seems strange to me that if true, that two grown women would engage in such infantile acts. Still, as my grandmother used to say,
‘There’s nowt so funny as folk.’

That (the earpiece etc) is indeed how such things are done Maddyone. Michael McIntyre uses a similar device in his Big Night Out stage show- but with less malice aforethought.
I found the brief clip I subjected myself to, excruciating and wondered whether Meghan is so eager to rehabilitate herself with the US public after her “misremembering” in the recent court case or whether her manipulative tactics in the “Daddy” letter, were at the bottom of this humiliating performance.
There are suggestions that Ellen de Generes is not as much a friend as Oprah and secretly enjoyed embarrassing Meghan.
From today’s DT

It reached the stage where, like the royal biographer Angela Levin, who tweeted “I wonder whether Ellen DeGeneres has a grudge against Meghan and wanted her to look so foolish her career would crumble”, I began to ask myself whether this might in fact be a prank within a prank; whether it was part of a sophisticated, cruel game the 63-year-old TV host had decided to play to see how far the actress-turned-duchess –whom she has previously mocked on the show as “the holder of case 24 on Deal or No Deal” – would go for the sake of celebrity ?

I have nothing against young women having a bit of fun (even as chipmunks and bottle sucking), but I highly disapprove of Meghan humiliating stall holders who were innocently set up.