Uncritical support for trans ideology is a bad idea - a calm explanation of why this is.

I agree Lemongrove.

Well done Catherine Robillard for such a clear and straight forward explanation. I wish she could be shown our comments here on GN. ?

Doodledog

CR speaks perfect sense. I really hope that she doesn't pay the price for daring to speak out, and the fact that I have to hope for that speaks volumes.

We are constantly told that transpeople are the most vulnerable members of society, which this article challenges very well, but we only ever hear of violence from TRAs against women. In any case, the claim is another bit of sleight of hand by Stonewall, as unless there is a register of transpeople it is impossible to measure their experience against that of any other group in society.

I believe that Stonewall is doing a lot of damage to the trans cause by making people hostile to it because of the extreme pronouncements and lengths that they and their followers go to. They really don’t get that do they?

The difference between VS and most posters is that most posters
-do not deny that trans have rights, but agree that these rights should not erode the rights of others.
-do not blame all transwomen for the crimes of the few against natal women, but do blame those few who commit the crimes especially against natal women, for claiming to be women and compelling natal women to refer to their assailants as she.
-do not blame all trans people for safeguarding failures of law enforcement but don’t accept those failures being used as an excuse for the few dangerous trans to make use of, to cause fear and danger to natal women.
- don’t expect the estimated but unproven number of trans to carry the crimes of the few. (Not sure where the figures came from but happy to be told.)
Noticeably, posters on GN say that they know of trans people who live peaceably, without attacking women, or the rights of women, or demanding that people declare their pronoun, or claiming to have changed sex.
VS can’t blame trans, but is unwilling to accept that many posters don’t blame all trans.
I don’t see any apologies from VS for the appalling behaviour of the few trans, which make the acceptance of the many more difficult.
The post by the OP makes concerns clear in a reasonable manner, but there is no mention of that either.
Since VS has ‘hidden’ the thread we’ll never know whether she watched and listened or didn’t bother.
Thanks again FarNorth.

The link between homosexuality and transsexuality is spurious at best. The 'sexual' thing about trans is, as mentioned on the video, autogynaephilia, or the male fetish about 'being' a woman. If this were linked to homosexuality, presumably there would be fewer 'lesbian' transwomen insisting on being assumed to be real women and ignoring the fact that many lesbians are not interested in sex involving penises.

The idea that gay men are just feminine men, and lesbians masculine men is idiotic, anyway. For some reason we are often treated to a lecture on the history of feminism, or attitudes to gay people, but none of that has any bearing on this issue, as anyone who had watched the (very short) video would know.

VioletSky, yet again you criticise anyone who thinks that the "harassing, stalking and threatening" behaviour of some trans activists is disgraceful. If we think that, it does not mean that we are transphobic - we are violent-behaviour-phobic. I have known a trans woman who had fully transitioned (which involved a lot of surgery and suffering), and lived happily as a woman. She was lovely, and no threat to anyone. She has left the area now, but I'm sure would be just as horrified at the awful treatment of JK Rowling as I am.

Allsorts

I won’t be watching it, I haven’t heard anyone speak about trans that are not biased and hypo critical of those who are heterosexual.
No doubt her loyal followers will.

By the way, Allsorts, although I don't make a habit of commenting of posters' use of words, on this occasion I can't resist pointing out to you that "hypocritical" (a low level of criticism) means the opposite of "hypercritical", (a high level of criticism) which I think is what you meant to say, and that while "homosexual" people have sex with people of the same sex, "heterosexual" people have sex with people of the opposite sex.
I don't think you have been listening very closely to anyone who has been speaking about transmen, transwomen, or homosexuals, whether they approved of them or had doubts about some of their campaign tactics. The video in the link would be a good place to start - she gives one of the least biased opinions I have heard.

This is my one comment before hiding the thread.

The thing is that I do understand these views, no matter how many times I have been told I don't.

My problem is how much of a black and white topic this has become. You must be on one side or the other. Yet, there are so many trans people in this country who are not harming anyone.

Trans people have rights. I cannot deny them that.

I cannot blame trans people for the crimes of a man masquerading as a woman.

I cannot blame trans people for the safeguarding failures of law enforcement.

I cannot blame trans people for the mistakes made fighting for equality for all, including trans people.

I can blame those who unreasonably expect an estimated 200,000 to 500,000 trans people in the UK to carry the crimes of the few.

I remember the discussions when we realised how many LGB people actually exist in the UK and the fears about them sharing bathrooms, changing rooms, prisons etc.

Those fears passed. These will too.

We will find a way to help everyone feel safe, accepted and included. It will just take time.

She's not remotely critical of heterosexuals. Or gay people, or trans people for that matter. She just explains why she doesn't think that men can be women, and how she came to that realisation after starting as a trans ally.

I won’t be watching it, I haven’t heard anyone speak about trans that are not biased and hypo critical of those who are heterosexual.
No doubt her loyal followers will.

Catherine Robillard speaks a lot of good common sense. Thank you for sharing her views with us.

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kircubbin2000

Who are the 3 actors?

They are named by JKR in Mollygo’s second photo. I haven’t heard of any of them.

Thanks, to those who've commented about the video.
I don't know who Catherine Robillard is. I spotted the video, shared by Arty Morty on twitter.
Arty usually takes part in Graham Linehan's youtube broadcasts "The Mess We're In" and GL is promoting the idea of a 'Coming out as Gender Critical' day for Dec 19th.
CR has that in the title of her video.

There's no pressure on anyone to 'come out as GC' more than they want to, as I understand it. Just encouragement to do what you can.

kircubbin2000

Who are the 3 actors?

I don’t know. Since their Twitter accounts have been deleted I can’t even see a picture.

CR speaks perfect sense. I really hope that she doesn't pay the price for daring to speak out, and the fact that I have to hope for that speaks volumes.

We are constantly told that transpeople are the most vulnerable members of society, which this article challenges very well, but we only ever hear of violence from TRAs against women. In any case, the claim is another bit of sleight of hand by Stonewall, as unless there is a register of transpeople it is impossible to measure their experience against that of any other group in society.

Who are the 3 actors?

"to show that trans ideology is not a threat to women is to stop harassing, stalking and threatening women" exactly Mollygo which shows just how dangerous questionable trans ideology is.

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And as J. K. Rowling points out it’s not just her who is under attack. Women and their families go in fear of attack and threats.
When she says she has received enough death threats that she could paper the house with them, isn’t that shameful?
Her last point that the best way to show that trans ideology is not a threat to women is to stop harassing, stalking and threatening women, why wouldn’t anyone agree?

It doesn't matter that her address is not a secret - I live near any number of celebrities/public figures but drawing attention to the address is inviting a mob to harass her.

JKR really does suffer for her public stance on women's rights - I fear for others who don't have her wealth to protect them.

JK Rowling's address is not exactly a secret. There's a bus stop right outside it and everyone local knows she and her family (and security staff) live there. However, this should not have been posted at all. I hope the police deal with them swiftly and thoroughly.

Thank you for that link, FarNorth. It is indeed a calm explanation. Who is Catherine Robillard? I'm not aware of hearing of her before. She's very straightforward and I agreed with everything she says.

As for the dreadful treatment that JK Rowling has received, it is quite appalling. As you say, Smileless2012, it does nothing for the cause espoused by the perpetrators; quite the reverse.

They're beneath contempt.

Rosie51 you said just what I wanted.

Just checked, no he's not one of the three. They've now taken down the photo clearly showing her address because they've "received transphobic messages" That's DARVO in action! They stalk a woman, publish her address and then play victim when they're called out for it.