Harry’s ‘pop’ at Charles

Josianne

Oh by the way, I do remember offering the Meghan book to any GN etter who asked. Obviously the overwhelming lack of response shows that most posters really couldn't really give a monkeys.

I thought of asking, Josianne, but gave the dog something else to chew instead.
Thank you anyway.

TerriBull

Alegrias1

I'm sorry to read that GSM, seriously. I'm sorry that you had to go through that.

So I would have thought you might have had more sympathy for other people in the same situation.

Isn't there a certain well known and well liked Duchess who left her "job" of being a well known and highly visible Royal because of her MH issues? But then she wasn't living off benefits so I suppose that's OK. She'd managed to get herself married to a rich man so she was allowed to have MH issues and do something to fix them.

The Duchess of Kent is well liked because she behaves with dignity. She appears to come across as a very private person who, correct me if I'm wrong, hasn't made any MH issues she may have or had public. I believe she's working as a music teacher in a school and pours herself into that. I don't imagine we can expect to see her being interviewed by a high profile broadcaster giving a moany interview about how harshly life has treated her.

Yes, she is a beautiful woman, inside and out.

Her husband (age 86) continues to work despite his age and health; Prince Harry was supposed to take over some of his duties. The Duke of Kent does understand the meaning of the word duty.

I hate wasps and snow, that’s as far as hate goes for me.

Josianne

Cross post maddyone. In agreement.

No, I’m sorry trisher, disliking what someone does is not hatred. Harry is not hated, well not in any of the posts I’ve read anyway, but posters don’t like what Harry has done. Remember the instruction to dislike the sin, not the sinner. Please don’t misconstrue what I’m saying, I’m not saying Harry is a sinner, I’m saying it’s not hatred of Harry, it’s dislike of what he does.

Hatred is a very strong word, an emotive word, and is best used sparingly in my opinion.

I can't speak for anyone else trisher but here are a few positives that I know I have stated about H & M on GN:
1. I admire their desire to keep their children out of the media and to fiercely protect them from any public criticism. (I even reported an unkind comment about Archie's squint eye).
2. I applaud Harry's setting up of the Invictus Games.

I don't even blame Harry for leaving his as you describe it dysfunctional family, just the way in which he did it and continues to turn the knife.
No hatred, no animosity.

Ditto trisher I too took filler jobs. But I was a kept woman for
8 years.

If it isn't hatred please can someone explain to me what never finding anything positive in anything someone says or does can possibly be construed as? Why it's acceptable to blame him for leaving what is obviously a seriously dysfunctional family and then speaking out about how he feels? The only reason anyone could want to see someone suffer and keep quiet about it I can envisage is that you dislike them. Otherwise you would judge their statements dispassionately and at least realise that there is some truth in what is said and acknowledge that they have done and are doing some good. Anything else is bias and hatred.

Thanks for speaking up about my personal life Alegrias1. It amuses me that people feel they can cross examine me. My personal life is just that. But anyone who has read things I have posted would know I've been on my own for many years and never been kept. I've listened to my gut instinct quite a few times and it never let me down. That and being prepared to do any job as a filler if I needed to keep me and my kids. The alternative would have been me having a breakdown and not only being unable to work but to function as a parent and I wasn't risking that.

Oh by the way, I do remember offering the Meghan book to any GN etter who asked. Obviously the overwhelming lack of response shows that most posters really couldn't really give a monkeys.

Alegrias1

Josianne

He didn't say anything about just walking out of a job, he said leave a job that makes you unhappy.
Alegrias If you read what I said twice, it was walk away from a job and not just walk out. Please do not twist prepositions.

I would like to take this opportunity to apologise for not reading every single post intently and phrasing all of my own posts with forensic accuracy, just in case any person reading them thinks I must be referring to them personally.

Please take this post as a promise that if ever I want to refer to a specific poster or their posts, I will most definitely use their name to avoid any instances of people feeling that I am getting at them personally when I am not.

(Its always been that way of course, but there seems to have been an outbreak of perceptions of victimhood.)

That's good Alegrias. And nothing to do with perceptions of victimhood, just posters remembering verbatim what they have said or trying to re phrase it in such a way that nothing goes misunderstood. We have several masters at this on GN so it must be rubbing off on others, not in a bad way.

Alegrias .....arguing the hind leg off a donkey comes to mind with your posts.As you find any thread which criticises Harry or Meghan distasteful, why put yourself in this position?
There is no hatred for either of them, and where Harry is concerned more disappointment with the way he has behaved and is still behaving, as there was such a fund of goodwill for him and his wife here at one time....all dissipated now.

Josianne

^He didn't say anything about just walking out of a job, he said leave a job that makes you unhappy.^
Alegrias If you read what I said twice, it was walk away from a job and not just walk out. Please do not twist prepositions.

I would like to take this opportunity to apologise for not reading every single post intently and phrasing all of my own posts with forensic accuracy, just in case any person reading them thinks I must be referring to them personally.

Please take this post as a promise that if ever I want to refer to a specific poster or their posts, I will most definitely use their name to avoid any instances of people feeling that I am getting at them personally when I am not.

(Its always been that way of course, but there seems to have been an outbreak of perceptions of victimhood.)

Somebody better tell his Grandma that Harry needs to shut up.

I bet she wishes he’d be quiet too.
Just a thought, do you think his Grandma reads Gransnet? Maybe she’s contributing to this very thread. So which one of you is Queen Elizabeth 11?

Anniebach

You can start a thread on Andrew nahsma

Anniebach I was merely trying to point out a possible causal relationship between H&M's behaviour and a desire in some quarters to direct our view away from P Andrew to something slightly more wholesome. So no need for new thread, thanks!

She appeared very bewildered at William and Kate’s wedding, as though she really didn’t know where she was or what was going on. I felt so sorry for her. And I recall a story years ago about her having a miscarriage and being badly affected mentally by it - whether true or not I don’t know. But if someone can leave their job without leaving those who rely on them destitute it’s nobody else’s business. I wasn’t in that fortunate position and I doubt that many are, unless perhaps they are so badly paid that going onto benefits for a while won’t make much difference to their situation . In fact I think that if I had heard Harry’s words back then it would have made me feel even worse. I learned that to be able to make real choices in life is a great luxury.

Alegrias1

I'm sorry to read that GSM, seriously. I'm sorry that you had to go through that.

So I would have thought you might have had more sympathy for other people in the same situation.

Isn't there a certain well known and well liked Duchess who left her "job" of being a well known and highly visible Royal because of her MH issues? But then she wasn't living off benefits so I suppose that's OK. She'd managed to get herself married to a rich man so she was allowed to have MH issues and do something to fix them.

The Duchess of Kent is well liked because she behaves with dignity. She appears to come across as a very private person who, correct me if I'm wrong, hasn't made any MH issues she may have or had public. I believe she's working as a music teacher in a school and pours herself into that. I don't imagine we can expect to see her being interviewed by a high profile broadcaster giving a moany interview about how harshly life has treated her.

Lucca

“ because we mildly criticise a pampered, spoilt young man? “

Goodness I’d hate to see what comes up when it’s strongly criticise !!

Some of us mildly criticise him because we are rather bemused by him and his utterings now.
Does he really understand what he is talking about?
He has a high profile as a member of the Royal Family and is using that as a platform for his views.

As a not-that-intellectual ex-Army Officer would anyone be interested otherwise?

He didn't say anything about just walking out of a job, he said leave a job that makes you unhappy.
Alegrias If you read what I said twice, it was walk away from a job and not just walk out. Please do not twist prepositions.

Germanshepherdsmum

I sincerely apologise Alegrias. I had no idea. The Duchess of Kent’s battle with dementia has been obvious for years and she has bravely appeared in public nevertheless. A kind lady who has quietly done much for charitable causes over many years. I wouldn’t say a word against her.

I admire her too GSM. She was in the position that when she had MH issues (I didn't know she had dementia) she was able to disappear from public eye and basically give up her "job" for her own health. If she had been a single parent in a high rise somewhere she might have had to soldier on. So any implications from anywhere that people with MH issues are taking the easy way out by leaving jobs that make them unhappy is so unfair.

Just because some people have to soldier on that doesn't make what Harry said ridiculous. He didn't say anything about just walking out of a job, he said leave a job that makes you unhappy. What's wrong with that? People only react to that they way the do because its Harry who said it and there is so much hate antipathy towards him.

Katherine Kent retired age 69

I'm a bit confused by Harry's job title Chief Impact Officer. Does that mean he has to bear the brunt of everything that gets lobbed his way? If so, he needs to put up with up with the worst of the circumstances and stop criticising. Man up

If however it means he himself is to have a huge impact on our thinking, then his words need to be chosen very carefully.

“ because we mildly criticise a pampered, spoilt young man? “

Goodness I’d hate to see what comes up when it’s strongly criticise !!

I sincerely apologise Alegrias. I had no idea. The Duchess of Kent’s battle with dementia has been obvious for years and she has bravely appeared in public nevertheless. A kind lady who has quietly done much for charitable causes over many years. I wouldn’t say a word against her.

We know why Katherine Kent stopped carrying out public duties, we know she didn’t have to survive on benefits .

We know why Megan gave up her job, she found a wealthy husband so again we know she didn’t have to survive on benefits.