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Transwomen in female prisons

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Mollygo Tue 04-Jan-22 21:48:33

The article from Debbie Hayton made it quite clear how difficult it is to differentiate and yet she still said that TW should not be in female prisons.
Maybe, until they have separate prisons, TW should be housed together in a separate wing of a male prison.
Certainly, ALL crimes committed by TW should be recorded as TW crimes. That way, since we know TW are men, we could simply add the crimes by men claiming to be men and those who are TW together and get a correct total.

Doodledog Tue 04-Jan-22 18:52:24

I am not a believer in the 'if you don't do anything wrong you have nothing to worry about' line of thinking, as things can go horribly wrong for people who wouldn't expect it. Nonetheless, the vast majority of transpeople aren't going to find themselves in jail, and nobody with a heart would want those who do to be treated more harshly than other prisoners by being in the wrong jail.

The problem, of course, is with people (AFAIK exclusively men) who claim trans status on arrest, in order to get into women's jails, where they think they might get an easier time, or worse, where they hope to find victims - many of them already have convictions for sexual assault or rape. Chewbacca posted photos of a number of such people on the last thread on this topic that reached 1000 posts and closed, and anyone who didn't read that thread could find them easily - they are towards the end of the thread.

When it comes to the statistics, man identifying as women means that crime figures are skewed, yes. As things stand, rape is a crime that can only be carried out with a penis, but Trans Rights Activists (TRAs) are pushing for it to be redefined as a sexual assault carried out with an object. Both are clearly traumatic for the victim, but to call all of them 'rape' means that a male-only category is subsumed into a gender-free one, so the figures are less nuanced. Similarly, if crimes by transwomen are recorded as female, then all stats for all categories of crime will be corrupted.

The fact that the men in Mollygo's link have reverted to male after release from jail can only suggest that their trans status claims were deliberately staged - something that has concerned many women for some time.

Deedaa Tue 04-Jan-22 17:35:22

It's a difficult problem. The trans woman I used to chat to would have had a horrendous time in a men's prison (not that I can imagine her doing anything than would get her imprisoned). The two who combined skirts with five o'clock shadow might not have been a good fit in a women's prison.

lavendermine Tue 04-Jan-22 16:54:14

Good grief. This just underlines what many of us have been thinking.
The crux of the matter is this if the man, whether he says he is a woman or not, if he has a penis he is a man. That is it and should not be housed in a womens prison.

AGAA4 Tue 04-Jan-22 16:47:42

Does this also mean that men can switch genders to suit themselves? The figures will be definitely skewed if this is the case.

Mollygo Tue 04-Jan-22 16:31:26

If it’s true that TW revert to men when they are freed from female prisons www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-prisoners-switch-gender-again-once-freed-from-womens-units-qjjsd0nlx , will the statistics that have been skewed because their crimes were registered as committed by females, be corrected?