Presuming BJ goes.

The pathetic attempts at classifying what Starmer did (beer during pre by-election prep meeting) and the multiple Johnson events are just that, pathetic. I am sure that every Tory supporting newspaper is doing their best to find something incriminating, and failing. To me, it shows that the Tories know they are in bother, maybe the electorate have finally realised what a liar and cheat they have put in office.

The headline in the Telegraph today is ‘Johnson questioned by Gray over Partygate’ Nightsky2. Thee may be a minor article about Starmer, but they know it’s a non runner, or it would be in lights on the front page in the Telegraph, which is of course a Tory paper.

Don’t teachers sometimes hit the nail on the proverbial…

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Casdon

This is a rehashed photo which had already been released last May and the circumstances confirmed. He’s saying it wasn’t a party because it wasn’t a party Nightsky2. That’s why every single newspaper apart from the Mail hasn’t mentioned it. It’s a non story, a failed attempt at a right wing slur.

It’s in todays Telegraph which I have in front of me.

?? it is certainly doing the rounds.

Last May Murdoch decided that it was a non-runner. Now the Johnson supporting papers are scrapping the Sun’s barrel.

The was taken a day or two before the local elections. Starmer is pictured discussing strategy and a takeaway and beverage was ordered in.

Oh well.

I see Cummings is calling Johnson a liar. Takes one to recognise one I guess.

Or so he says. Why did he look so uncomfortable when being interviewed yesterday.

Funny how people are now only too happy to believe everything and anything Cummings has to say. Pot calling the kettle black.

Anyway

FannyCornforth

Lucca Rayner referred to Tory voters as ‘scum’
I think that is what GSM is referring to, as opposed to calling AR scum

I stand corrected.

If I had to choose one from the conservative party it would be Michael Gove, his the only one I can actually listen to! I’ve found he doesn’t answer questions by going round the houses and not actually answering the question put to him!
Andy Burham would be my choice for Labour prime minister, he did such a lot for the Hillsborough Campaign and for the city of Manchester. I think he would be a fair PM and serve both the North and South in equal measure.

Theresa May . She’s genuine never should have left. .

Lucca Rayner referred to Tory voters as ‘scum’
I think that is what GSM is referring to, as opposed to calling AR scum

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Casdon

This is a rehashed photo which had already been released last May and the circumstances confirmed. He’s saying it wasn’t a party because it wasn’t a party Nightsky2. That’s why every single newspaper apart from the Mail hasn’t mentioned it. It’s a non story, a failed attempt at a right wing slur.

It’s in todays Telegraph which I have in front of me.

?? it is certainly doing the rounds.

Last May Murdoch decided that it was a non-runner. Now the Johnson supporting papers are scrapping the Sun’s barrel.

The was taken a day or two before the local elections. Starmer is pictured discussing strategy and a takeaway and beverage was ordered in.

Oh well.

I see Cummings is calling Johnson a liar. Takes one to recognise one I guess.

Germanshepherdsmum

I’d rather have that rabble than Angela ‘scum’ Rayner & co.

How rude.

Casdon

This is a rehashed photo which had already been released last May and the circumstances confirmed. He’s saying it wasn’t a party because it wasn’t a party Nightsky2. That’s why every single newspaper apart from the Mail hasn’t mentioned it. It’s a non story, a failed attempt at a right wing slur.

It’s in todays Telegraph which I have in front of me.

This is a rehashed photo which had already been released last May and the circumstances confirmed. He’s saying it wasn’t a party because it wasn’t a party Nightsky2. That’s why every single newspaper apart from the Mail hasn’t mentioned it. It’s a non story, a failed attempt at a right wing slur.

I don’t believe Keir was breaking the rules, when I was working often we worked late and our manager would send for a take away and sometimes a bottle of wine. What he didn’t do was send an email inviting all and sundry. To come and join in and bring their own bottle of booze. This blaming Keir is a typical action by Johnson and the Tory press to take the heat away from our Pm

DiscoDancer1975

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LauraNorderr

As a fully paid up member of the Conservative party I voted for Boris Johnson in the last leadership election and would do so again.
I am not interested in his private life which does indeed sound chaotic at best.
I voted for him because he is optimistic, ambitious and unafraid.
I believe that his ambition to go down in history as a great prime minister would have led him to follow his manifesto commitment of levelling up, of spending hugely on infrastructure, of tackling crime and drug crime in particular and controlling immigration.
Sadly two things put the kybosh on this, firstly the pandemic which threw the world in to total chaos. Our country more than most due to our huge population contained on our small island and us being a travel hub.
Secondly our media who seem to have more hatred for Boris Johnson than any previous leader. He has been hounded by the press from day one. An argument in a previous flat made weeks of headlines insinuating that domestic violence had occurred and yet that same couple are now married with two children. The decoration of the Downing Street flat blown out of all proportion. The incumbent is likely to be there for five years so redecorating to their taste should not be an issue and if a party donor is willing to fork out for it I don’t see a problem.
Now we have huge and malevolent coverage of the ‘parties’. Downing St is a block of offices employing large numbers of civil servants and other staff. Many were working when others were furloughed or working from home. A debrief on a Friday is not unusual for many companies. Often a glass of wine and a few nibbles. During lockdown it is possible that the debrief could be held outdoors to take advantage of sunny weather, social distanced and an opportunity for the PM to say thank you to staff who risked coming in to work. Other parties seem to have been arranged by civil servants while the PM was at Chequers. Cats away, mice will play.
I’m not saying any of this is the case but these scenarios are possible, so instead of the media hyping up as wrong doing why not wait until after the investigation.
To change PM now would be destabilising. We have the threat of Russia and China working to this end but neither need to bother while our own media are doing the job for them.
I’m not going duck behind a parapet as Tories are expected to do on gransnet but will sit back and enjoy.

Beautifully put??. So much better than I could have done. I’m sitting quietly waiting for the S..t to hit the fan when we start to hear about other ‘ parties ‘, from other institutions.

There is no doubt in my mind that we will.

One thing for sure and which fills me with hope is that you are in a tiny minority.

I wouldn’t be so sure about that WWM

The press certainly have an awful lot to answer for.

Will Keir say he’s sorry or will he continue to say it was not a party. It was a get together and he was drinking beer and he was breaking the rules.

I wish Trevor Philips would form a centrist party. I would certainly vote for him if he did. I’m not sure I’ve encountered anyone else with as much common sense as him.

Yeah, they were probably waiting to complain about the lack of caviar in the room service menu and that the pool wasn't warm enough.

LauraNorderr

Why is it always assumed that Tories back Farage. He’s an idiot. I don’t for one minute think that immigrants are housed in 5 star hotels. I would like to see our immigration processes speeded up. There are doctors, nurses, teachers, drivers, fruit pickers, cleaners and many other much needed occupations waiting to be cleared. More resources in these areas are what grass root Tories are campaigning for.
I am not against immigration at all but am anti illegal immigration.
The sacred cow that is the NHS is not to be privatised but certainly needs a huge overhaul. It will take a brave political party that dares.
I am in favour of levelling up, of opportunity, of aspiration and of fairness.
I am in favour of tougher measures on crime but not of birching or hanging.
I am in favour of some changes of a stagnant judicial system.
I am not a fan of austerity but neither do I favour a free for all. I like the Johnson government ideas of spending on infrastructure to gain prosperity in the longer term.
It’s my view. I don’t believe I am in the minority out in the real world but yes I know I am on gransnet. Do I care? Not a jot.

Apologies for quoting a long post but I don't know how to just quote the part I am replying to; also sorry if this off topic. However I just want to say I know for certain that the government are housing immigrants in a 4-star (admittedly not 5-star) hotel because we were staying in one as a treat on my birthday and got told to leave as they had 'a government contract' at short notice. We had to find another hotel nearby. As we came home from my birthday meal that night there was a crowd of immigrants queuing outside the door waiting to go in.

Bluecat I agree with everything you said. Unfortunately the British voting public obviously prefer a sleezebag as PM rather than a principled one.
Alegrasil thank you for your post re period poverty. So glad I live in Scotland!

I am not sure that charisma and ambition should be the most important assets of any prospective prime minister

I hoped for Rory Stewart when the Conservative party chose Boris. I can’t fathom why they did that - before he’d shown the weaknesses we’ve seen.

Graham Brady.

I wish that Martin Lewis would stand as an MP, for any party. He would make a great Prime Minister.

Not Nicola Sturgeon - I listen to what my many Scottish friends think and what they call her!!! A definite 'no'.

I'm Scottish. I call her Nicola to her face (well, I did that one time...) and FM otherwise. Or boss, because that's what she is.

We certainly seem to be having difficulty separating "what my friends who are just like me think" and what the "majority of people think" today, aren't we?

Rory Stewart.