Presuming BJ goes.

Where the Tories are concerned, I'm afraid it would be a case of trying to find the most bearable one. None of them seem to have the faintest idea of what it's like to live on a low income or be sick and dependent on the NHS, and I think that the Party's values are utterly wrong. I suppose that I would go along with those who suggested Rory Stewart, as the best of a bad bunch, though he's not an MP at the moment.

I don't know what anyone sees in Rishi Sunak, apart from the fact that he isn't Boris Johnson, and Liz Truss seems to be a nincompoop. Dominic Raab appears to have gone quiet - isn't he the deputy PM? I would have thought that he would be in the running, though some of the remarks he has made suggest that he is a bit dim too. I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with Michael Gove.

Anyone but Priti Patel. She sends shivers down my spine.

As for Labour, under Starmer's leadership they have reverted to being Tory Lite. Abstaining from voting on capping benefits for some of the poorest people, supporting the increasing involvement of private companies in the NHS, failing to fight against policies that affect the old such breaking the triple lock... Are we really supposed to vote for them just because they are marginally less awful than the Tories?

I make no excuses for the fact that I would still like to see Jeremy Corbyn as PM, although that will obviously never happen. Therefore I would choose someone else with genuine principles, such as Zarah Sultana. She is young but she has compassion and integrity, and we have had a distinct lack of those qualities under Johnson's leadership.

On a day when the Home Secretary thinks its acceptable to ask the Royal Navy to physically push immigrants back where they came from, I'm afraid that saying Tory supporters are not like Farage when it comes to immigration does ring a bit hollow.

Alegrias1

^Why is it always assumed that Tories back Farage.^

Have I missed a page? Who mentioned Farage?

The notion that immigration is an issue, the comment about thinking that immigrants are put up in posh hotels points at Farage supporters imo.

Please God not Theresa May or Gove or that Rees Mogg ugh. Agree what Boris Johnson does in his PRIVATE life is up to him isn't it? Well the media are having a field day aren't they?and I'm afraid that a witch hunt looks to be on the cards. Agree with the poster who mentioned John Smith as he would have made a splendid prime minister .but as for for Blair well he did so many awful things to our country! IMO

Why is it always assumed that Tories back Farage.

Have I missed a page? Who mentioned Farage?

Why is it always assumed that Tories back Farage. He’s an idiot. I don’t for one minute think that immigrants are housed in 5 star hotels. I would like to see our immigration processes speeded up. There are doctors, nurses, teachers, drivers, fruit pickers, cleaners and many other much needed occupations waiting to be cleared. More resources in these areas are what grass root Tories are campaigning for.
I am not against immigration at all but am anti illegal immigration.
The sacred cow that is the NHS is not to be privatised but certainly needs a huge overhaul. It will take a brave political party that dares.
I am in favour of levelling up, of opportunity, of aspiration and of fairness.
I am in favour of tougher measures on crime but not of birching or hanging.
I am in favour of some changes of a stagnant judicial system.
I am not a fan of austerity but neither do I favour a free for all. I like the Johnson government ideas of spending on infrastructure to gain prosperity in the longer term.
It’s my view. I don’t believe I am in the minority out in the real world but yes I know I am on gransnet. Do I care? Not a jot.

I've grown to admire Angela Rayner - full of fire and conviction, and a good speaker. She reminds me of a young Margaret Thatcher (though she'd have to get rid of the long curls - too girly - plus of course Labour would have to win the next election!)

Buttercup1954

Oh please no! She has destroyed Scotland with her division and hatred, never mind the litany of errors and misjudgements.

Who, Angela?

I agree with others on here - Kier Starmer and Angela Rayner as deputy. The country would be in safe hands. I don’t understand why people complain that Starmer is ‘boring’ or ‘dull’. Politics is not show business. The Prime Minister should not be a showman / entertainer. Such an important office demands intelligence, honesty, integrity and calmness - Kier Starmer all the way for me. Can’t wait to see the back of bumbling BoJo!

Oh please no! She has destroyed Scotland with her division and hatred, never mind the litany of errors and misjudgements.

It's been a witch hunt on Boris from day 1

Why do you think that is?

Could it be because he is the worst PM we've had in living memory?

LauraNorder clear concise and refreshing

Lauranorderr - well said. Totally agree with you on every point you made. It's been a witch hunt on Boris from day 1

Hazeld

Nanna8 Theresa May? The one who couldn't get us out of the EU without giving in to everything they asked for in return? What a wimp. Pity Margaret Thatcher isn't here, at least she didn't stand for any nonsense.

Margaret Thatcher?

Do you mean this Margaret Thatcher?

Can't think of one mp from any party that fills me with confidence they all appear to play to the media changing their minds constantly depending on what hits the headlines at that particular day . I'm looking for someone who puts Britain first and who is proud to be British

LauraNorder - I'm with you backing BJ.

It's better to vote for people cos of policies, not whether you like them or not so that cancels out all Tories since they all want to privatise the NHS & anything else they can, whether it works or not & minimise public spending so they can give huge tax cuts to billionaires. Jeremy Hunt totally vandalised the NHS a few years back so not him, I can't think of one of them I'd vote for if I had to. Any Labour would be my choice, Angela Rayner is great & you have to be a bit gobby to stand up in the Commons, Keir is fine though he is boring, but boring is needed at the moment we need a safe pair of hands in charge & someone to rebuild the NHS One person I did like was Daisy Cooper Deputy Leader of Lib Dems, the leader is a bit boring but Daisy was on Question Time & was great. I would vote for anyone who would rebuild the NHS, we really need rid of the Tories & their dreaded old Etonians, who are rich businessmen making policies to benefit rich businessmen.

FannyCornforth

Flying pigs; jumping sharks; saving dogs…

.......drowning immigrants, freezing pensioners. Anything but what a liar Johnson is.

Pity Margaret Thatcher isn't here, at least she didn't stand for any nonsense. I agree with you. Much as I disliked her, and hold her responsible for many of the problems we have today, we can rest assured that she would have kicked Johnson's ar*e out of front line politics the first time he was caught out lying, and would not have tolerated his complete lack of morals. Unlike many on GN who will believe any old sh*t tolerate everything he says, as long as he delivers what they think they have voted for. Strange contradiction.

Flying pigs; jumping sharks; saving dogs…

The pigs are flying today DiscoDancer1975, but not quite that high.

I think that this thread has jumped the shark, or is close to doing so ?

DiscoDancer1975

LauraNorderr

As a fully paid up member of the Conservative party I voted for Boris Johnson in the last leadership election and would do so again.
I am not interested in his private life which does indeed sound chaotic at best.
I voted for him because he is optimistic, ambitious and unafraid.
I believe that his ambition to go down in history as a great prime minister would have led him to follow his manifesto commitment of levelling up, of spending hugely on infrastructure, of tackling crime and drug crime in particular and controlling immigration.
Sadly two things put the kybosh on this, firstly the pandemic which threw the world in to total chaos. Our country more than most due to our huge population contained on our small island and us being a travel hub.
Secondly our media who seem to have more hatred for Boris Johnson than any previous leader. He has been hounded by the press from day one. An argument in a previous flat made weeks of headlines insinuating that domestic violence had occurred and yet that same couple are now married with two children. The decoration of the Downing Street flat blown out of all proportion. The incumbent is likely to be there for five years so redecorating to their taste should not be an issue and if a party donor is willing to fork out for it I don’t see a problem.
Now we have huge and malevolent coverage of the ‘parties’. Downing St is a block of offices employing large numbers of civil servants and other staff. Many were working when others were furloughed or working from home. A debrief on a Friday is not unusual for many companies. Often a glass of wine and a few nibbles. During lockdown it is possible that the debrief could be held outdoors to take advantage of sunny weather, social distanced and an opportunity for the PM to say thank you to staff who risked coming in to work. Other parties seem to have been arranged by civil servants while the PM was at Chequers. Cats away, mice will play.
I’m not saying any of this is the case but these scenarios are possible, so instead of the media hyping up as wrong doing why not wait until after the investigation.
To change PM now would be destabilising. We have the threat of Russia and China working to this end but neither need to bother while our own media are doing the job for them.
I’m not going duck behind a parapet as Tories are expected to do on gransnet but will sit back and enjoy.

Beautifully put??. So much better than I could have done. I’m sitting quietly waiting for the S..t to hit the fan when we start to hear about other ‘ parties ‘, from other institutions.

There is no doubt in my mind that we will.

One thing for sure and which fills me with hope is that you are in a tiny minority.

Nanna8 Theresa May? The one who couldn't get us out of the EU without giving in to everything they asked for in return? What a wimp. Pity Margaret Thatcher isn't here, at least she didn't stand for any nonsense.

LauraNorderr

As a fully paid up member of the Conservative party I voted for Boris Johnson in the last leadership election and would do so again.
I am not interested in his private life which does indeed sound chaotic at best.
I voted for him because he is optimistic, ambitious and unafraid.
I believe that his ambition to go down in history as a great prime minister would have led him to follow his manifesto commitment of levelling up, of spending hugely on infrastructure, of tackling crime and drug crime in particular and controlling immigration.
Sadly two things put the kybosh on this, firstly the pandemic which threw the world in to total chaos. Our country more than most due to our huge population contained on our small island and us being a travel hub.
Secondly our media who seem to have more hatred for Boris Johnson than any previous leader. He has been hounded by the press from day one. An argument in a previous flat made weeks of headlines insinuating that domestic violence had occurred and yet that same couple are now married with two children. The decoration of the Downing Street flat blown out of all proportion. The incumbent is likely to be there for five years so redecorating to their taste should not be an issue and if a party donor is willing to fork out for it I don’t see a problem.
Now we have huge and malevolent coverage of the ‘parties’. Downing St is a block of offices employing large numbers of civil servants and other staff. Many were working when others were furloughed or working from home. A debrief on a Friday is not unusual for many companies. Often a glass of wine and a few nibbles. During lockdown it is possible that the debrief could be held outdoors to take advantage of sunny weather, social distanced and an opportunity for the PM to say thank you to staff who risked coming in to work. Other parties seem to have been arranged by civil servants while the PM was at Chequers. Cats away, mice will play.
I’m not saying any of this is the case but these scenarios are possible, so instead of the media hyping up as wrong doing why not wait until after the investigation.
To change PM now would be destabilising. We have the threat of Russia and China working to this end but neither need to bother while our own media are doing the job for them.
I’m not going duck behind a parapet as Tories are expected to do on gransnet but will sit back and enjoy.

Beautifully put??. So much better than I could have done. I’m sitting quietly waiting for the S..t to hit the fan when we start to hear about other ‘ parties ‘, from other institutions.

There is no doubt in my mind that we will.