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Presuming BJ goes.

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Mollygo Sat 15-Jan-22 23:19:42

We’ve all had our say about whether he should go or not.
Why not turn this on its head and say who you would like instead of BJ, and why you think they would be good?
First someone from the Tory party because they’re still in. You may struggle to think of anyone, but give it a go.
Then who you’d like from any party or the party you vote for and why.
I’d vote for Andy Burnham. I know he’s only the Mayor of Greater Manchester now, but I think he’s really developed throughout Covid and he listens to the people.

Calistemon Sun 16-Jan-22 10:39:18

Esspee

Nicola Sturgeon would be an outstanding leader, she’s head and shoulders above any of the Party Party.

I couldn’t think of any Tories. Sorry.

Good grief!

Please no.

Calistemon Sun 16-Jan-22 10:37:18

MerylStreep

I couldn’t vote for Andy Burnham because of his comments/ handling of the Mid Staffs hospital horror.

Hear hear.

Although he seems reasonable and competent as a City Mayor that scandal on his watch should never be forgotten nor forgiven.

DiscoDancer1975 Sun 16-Jan-22 10:34:35

Mollygo

DiscoDancer1975

Yes, I like Andy Burnham. He seems to have his head screwed on, but have to be honest, and say I don’t know anything of his policies, but he speaks well, and sounds intelligent.

I don’t know if Andy Burnham would have any policies yet-and they’d be drawn up by the same Labour who would formulate Starmer’s policies.
I think he would be more attractive to voters and get more votes than than Starmer who’s a bit grey. He reminds me of John Major; probably very competent but not impressive.

Yes...I don’t remember John Major in detail, but he always seemed humble yet intelligent. Probably not very focussed though? Andy seems to have lots of energy, but of course, wouldn’t suit everyone, as one poster has already said. No matter who is picked, someone won’t like them.

Calistemon Sun 16-Jan-22 10:34:07

MerylStreep

Just saying ? Rory Stewart was not a soldier He worked under the Foreign office as a co-ordinator. Not decrying his role but there are a lot of people who think he was a soldier just because he was in Iraq.

He was in the Army briefly (about six months, I think) on a short service commission on his gap year, so kind of played at being a soldier.

If people are fed up with posh old Etonian Tories, he wouldn't be a great choice as he is very "posh", far posher than Boris or Jacob.
?

Grany Sun 16-Jan-22 10:26:36

We have a huge political vacuum that has to be filled.

Ken Loach does not rate Keir Starmer (nor do I)

Loach says Starmer wants power but not democracy.

Why has Starmer got rid of Jews that support Palestine lifelong anti racists from the party?

Double Down News

Don't like Tory party can't think of anyone from this bunch in government.

TillyTrotter Sun 16-Jan-22 10:24:15

A hefty fine would be in order for KS as many other people were fined for similar gatherings.

TillyTrotter Sun 16-Jan-22 10:23:08

Rishi Sunak as he’s got to be a candidate anyway,
and he’s teetotal so would be unlikely to host BYOB “parties”,
also he knows how many children he has,
and he already looks after the country’s finances so that’s a good start.
I’m sure he’s far from perfect - who of us is?

Kim19 Sun 16-Jan-22 10:20:02

Just watched KS wriggle and evade questions from Sophie Rayworth. Uncomfortable viewing indeed especially from a lawyer. I do believe his beer episode was indeed a work occasion (perhaps poor choice of drink at work) but suspect their proximity to each other and venue here may have broken 'the rules'. He has gone down in my estimation. Pity but then, I am clutching at straws.

Doodledog Sun 16-Jan-22 10:17:16

Andy Burnham would get my vote, and Rory Stewart as the best of a bad bunch of Tories is a good shout.

Let’s hope they are both getting their morning dose of Gransnet, see this thread and put the wheels in motion so that they become possibilities ?

Mollygo Sun 16-Jan-22 10:12:20

DiscoDancer1975

Yes, I like Andy Burnham. He seems to have his head screwed on, but have to be honest, and say I don’t know anything of his policies, but he speaks well, and sounds intelligent.

I don’t know if Andy Burnham would have any policies yet-and they’d be drawn up by the same Labour who would formulate Starmer’s policies.
I think he would be more attractive to voters and get more votes than than Starmer who’s a bit grey. He reminds me of John Major; probably very competent but not impressive.

Sago Sun 16-Jan-22 10:06:32

The only person I would want to lead this country is the late John Smith.
Had he lived Tony Blair would never have been PM and we would be living in a much better country.

Oldnproud Sun 16-Jan-22 10:06:09

Rory Stewart, as he seems to have principles.
Failing that, Teresa May, though she was set up to fail last time, by her own party, so no guarantees the same wouldn't happen again.
Right now I think they are lining up Liz Truss but I think they would do the same to her. It strikes me that they might want a fall-guy (or 'gal') just to last them through these difficult times, but to be ditched when things improve .

From Labour? Difficult. I think that Kier Starmer would make a good Prime Minister (his measured approach is more suited to PM than Leader of the Opposition), but it would probably take someone displaying more fire in their belly to actually get Labour elected at the next General Election.

DiscoDancer1975 Sun 16-Jan-22 09:58:30

Yes, I like Andy Burnham. He seems to have his head screwed on, but have to be honest, and say I don’t know anything of his policies, but he speaks well, and sounds intelligent.

Shropshirelass Sun 16-Jan-22 09:57:08

Can’t think of anyone, Rishi Sunak has a quiet determination and seems to handle things well, Michael Gove, can’t see him as PM! Kier Starmer, can’t stand the man and wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him. He is waffling on and on during a TV interview at the moment, his party has done the same anyway! All a bit of a mess really!

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 16-Jan-22 09:57:01

Yes Kitty that is Boris's single redeeming feature.
Can't think of anyone to suggest but I definitely don't want a Labour government. Just look at the rabble surrounding Starmer.

kittylester Sun 16-Jan-22 09:50:55

Beat me to it Meryl.

Not really got any ideas except not the very boring Keir Starmer.

And, whatever Boris has done wrong, he saved us from Corbyn as an alternative.

MerylStreep Sun 16-Jan-22 09:47:08

I couldn’t vote for Andy Burnham because of his comments/ handling of the Mid Staffs hospital horror.

MerylStreep Sun 16-Jan-22 09:45:44

Just saying ? Rory Stewart was not a soldier He worked under the Foreign office as a co-ordinator. Not decrying his role but there are a lot of people who think he was a soldier just because he was in Iraq.

Pammie1 Sun 16-Jan-22 09:42:48

Can’t think of a single Tory. I’ve heard Michael Gove’s name mentioned as a favourite candidate, but the thought isn’t exactly enthralling. For labour - Angela Rayner. She comes across as fearless and I think she has more of a fire in her belly than Keir Starmer.

Luckygirl3 Sun 16-Jan-22 09:35:12

Rory Stewart indeed. Would rather not have a Tory at all, but we are stuck with that and he seems to be the most principled of them all.

Aveline Sun 16-Jan-22 08:04:38

You must be thinking about a different Nicola Sturgeon from the one I know. The one I know has suppressed information regarding Covid numbers, care home deaths and even outbreaks. It's horrendous what she's brought Scotland too with her dictatorial approach. Don't get me started - I could go on!

Esspee Sun 16-Jan-22 07:32:02

Nicola Sturgeon would be an outstanding leader, she’s head and shoulders above any of the Party Party.

I couldn’t think of any Tories. Sorry.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 16-Jan-22 07:23:44

For me it is about decency, integrity, competence and someone untouched by corruption. So that rules out the current cabinet.

I then would look at policy, because that is what is going to affect my, my children and grandchildrens future.

So just at the moment it is difficult to say with the Tory party as they are all ruled by a powerful far right clique.

So I would look to someone with the qualities above and the strength of character to stand up the the powerful right, and whose policies are in my opinion the right ones for the country’s future.

No member of the Tory party has indicated this as they will never succeed at the moment with the over-powerful far right.

I am content that for Starmer to lead Labour as he clearly shows the right qualities.

Policies have yet to be fully developed. Those I have seen give me sufficient confidence to date, but they do not yet represent a fully rounded set of policies that would sustain good governance.

FannyCornforth Sun 16-Jan-22 07:07:48

FannyCornforth

Rory Stewart

I mean, that’s the ‘army guy’ to whom Rosie and NfkDumpling referred.
I like him too. Obviously too principled for the gig though

nanna8 Sun 16-Jan-22 06:59:28

Yup - bring back Theresa May. Dignified, so very British and intelligent to boot.