The danger of cows to walkers.

every year people are killed by cows, there's great advice here, I give them a wide berth

Sago

How can a bull be a dairy bull?

they are a breed kept for milk and not beef

We have meadows locally where cattle graze; people walk there but most are mindful of the dangers and keep well away from the animals. It takes little to panic or unsettle them, and once one or two start moving they all follow. I keep the other side of the river from the cows, but one day I stood heart in mouth watching a complete idiot weaving in and out of the cattle pushing a child in a buggy. Quite what he was thinking it's hard to imagine - one kick would have had the buggy overturned, or worse.

I ended up having to roll, SAS style, under a barbed wire fence, with my dog, to avoid young stock (bullocks) that had gathered either side of a gate in a footpath. Then braved the nettles in a small plantation to come out past the gate. (Having climbed over said B W fence). A bird watcher was delighted to tell me he’d observed the whole episode!

They had started to take way too much interest in my Border Collie and despite letting him off (per current advice) he and Bullocks kept coming back to me!

We do walk across the dunes with our dog and the cows graze there throughout the winter. We would never walk across an enclosed field with cows or cattle in but feel safe enough on open land. We can usually change our route if we see them. Because they have miles and miles of land to roam across they aren’t territorial about it. Also I think animals are calmer in winter: I know horses are. It’s good for the land as well: fertilises it and there are far more flowers growing in the summer. I think the farmer only puts quite placid cows on the common land ( at least I hope that’s the case).

I live near famous common land where one farmer keeps a herd of cattle. They have never been a problem and the common gets busy with walkers and dog walkers but the cattle just mingle in between the people. I do keep clear especially when they are being herded back to the farm as some or so big and on mass a bit scary. The only trouble is not the cattle but car drivers. A section of the road passing the common is not fenced off but there are cattle grids and signs to say cattle and horses crossing. Last year two incidents meant the death of one adult cow and then a few weeks later a calf. It was heart breaking to see its mother mooing over it until the farm could come and shoot the calf.

Bromley, I hadn't realised that regarding the dog

The only thing with an electric fence is the weight of a herd of cows will quite easily bring it down.

Steers in particular are dangerous. There is absolutely no reason why an electric fence can’t be erected to keep them off public footpaths. It’s cheap and quick.

Walkers often can’t let their dogs off the lead as they can be and sometimes are cornered by cattle,or maybe the dogs are too old to outrun them.

If I have a public footpath across my land and my dog just frightens someone,it can be classed as a dangerous dog.
If cattle chase walkers and even kill them, then it seems that is ok.

My grandmother and other family members had farms at various places. Cows are more aggressive than bulls sometimes if they have young calves at foot, and it is especially important NOT to walk between the cow and the calf. That spells danger for the calf and even the most placid of cows will take fright and try to get to the calf directly. Secondly we had had many good and decent walking groups who behaved well but the most important thing that anyone walking through fields with stock in them, is to be aware that if you have a dog with you , it is a different kettle of fish and cattle with young see dogs like wolves and a threat. Sheep can lose lambs just out of running away from the perceived wolf/dog. The most important thing to remember is , if you do have to cross a stock field accompanied by a dog that if there is any feeling of being threatened by a single animal or group is LET THE DOG GO. The dog is more of a threat to the cow than you are, and the majority of dogs can run a darn sight quicker than a human, and faster than the cows too. so in an emergency let the dog go , and get yourself as quickly and calmly as possible out of the field. Dont run, in case you might trip, dont shout , just move as fast as possible. In the meantime the majority of animals will be more concerned with the dog and then if it is well trained, you should be able to whistle to it and get it to come to you. All of the children involved in any farming area where we were , were taught how to behave round the animals. Whilst I understand that a dog is a loved pet, it is far safer to let the dog take the attention and get yourself safely out of the field. But I must say, I have seen so many badly trained dogs being allowed off the leash, chasing pregnant sheep on the hillside , very close to where I lived, and stupid people saying things like , I thought he could have a run up here, or he has never behaved like this before. 3 years ago a local farmer lost more than 10 lambs and 2 ewes died , because an a badly trained or not trained at all german shepherd dog ran amok and the owner said he was usually very good. Personally , even though we had various dogs on the farm and at home I still would not chose to take a dog on a long walk in the spring time on farm land when there are young stock about. Life is tough for us all at the moment and those lost sheep and lambs represented a great loss in income to a hill farmer as well as the fact that he was trying to build up his flock with better quality sheep and so it was not just money lost but 2 of his best ewes from the good lineage. The greater amount of walking groups have done their homework, and have leaders who will have thought about where they are going and prepared an alternative route or a way round the farming areas even if it means walking on a road for a short distance. The countryside is so important to us all as we have realized with the covid situation. Let us hope that this year we may enjoy the pleasure and life affirming scents and views to cheer us. Well at least little by little we have a few more minutes of daylight to enjoy. Happy walking to you all

About a mile and a half from our house is a herd of beautiful white Charolaise cattle. They often graze near the roadside. We have seen people climbing the fence to get a better look at them and walking through the field with their children, usually when they have calves with them. The children wave things at the cows and call to them. They are most likely holiday visitors who don't see cows where they live, or have never seen white cows before. It's a tragedy just waiting to happen.

ExDancer

Cows with calves will be protective and will attack anything they deem menacing. Usually cows on their own will just be curious, but they are big animals and can damage you without intending to.
Generally beef cows are less aggressive than dairy breeds but thats a sweeping statement and not to be relied on.
If you're in a field with cows they will tend to come over and check you out, walk slowly and don't wave your arms about or make a noise, stay by the hedge.
The best thing to do if you have a dog is to let go of it's lead, your dog can run faster than the cows and faster than you, and the cows will chase the dog.
Cows are domesticated but they are not pets (well some are, most aren't) so don't try to make friends with them or feed them.
I'm a farmer's wife and I'm not afraid of cows, but I treat them with respect and give them the space they need.

Very well put, as a farmer's daughter I totally agree. Cows are naturally nosy creatures, we had a dairy herd and they were quite individual characters, but to people unused to their behaviour they can be intimidating, and if not put off, can potentially be dangerous.
Arm waving is a really useful tip, it often stops them in their tracks. I walk through cattle fields regularly with my 2 collies. With my dogs under close control I don't get any problems, but I send them off ahead if I think they are making the cattle nervous. Farmers have to rotate their fields between livestock, arable etc. to get the best out of the soils and ground conditions. It involves a lot of skillful planning to get the best out of the land. It's their workplace and responsible for their livelihood, leisure activities are in a different area of importance. We are the guests. Sadly the way a few people regard the countryside needs a bit of education. Thankfully it's not too many.

When I was 21 or so I went on a holiday to Ayrshire with a friend. One morning she said "I'm going up the hill to read my book near the pond, What are you going to do?"
So I walked in the other direction and eventually was a mile or so away from the farm where we were staying. It began to rain, it bean to thunder and lightning seemed near, the field on my right contained several cows or cattle, I decided to take a short cut across the field, so I climbed the fence and began hurrying across, The animals near me were stationary but I suddenly realised that another group had started gambling around the edge and suddenly they began running in my direction. The far side of the field where the road lay was quite a way ahead . I quickly turned and ran back to where I had started, startling a small group of quiet animals near the fence.
I continued a my journey in the rain thankful that I had escaped intact.

I was knocked over by a young bullock that was grazing next to a footpath across unfenced rough land in the Peak District which we had used for years and never seen cattle. Suddenly there were a small herd of them, and they seemed quite peaceful. I kept to the far side of the path and walked quietly past. Next thing this beast had given me a hefty shove in the back and I was flat on my face! DH tried to chase it off but it stood its ground. It had, however, seemingly made its point and I was allowed to get up and go on my way. One of the NT moorland estates which is extremely popular with walkers is now populated with cattle where previously there were only sheep. There are notices, but as someone upthread said, you can’t always see where they are until you’re on top of them!

Think it’s all down to common sense on both sides. Farmers where there’s a right of way across land should put electric fencing up to ensure people keep to the set pathway if cows are grazing or allow people to walk through an adjacent field instead. Definitely don’t walk your dog off a lead in a field near calves, stay quiet and keep away from the cows if you must venture in the field. Normally cows ignore you, but it’s sometimes the playful youngsters who will venture near but normally don’t get that close. My only concern last year was a farmer had put a nasty looking bull in a field I was going to walk across, so had to divert as there was no way I was prepared to take a risk.

My friend has Highland Cattle and was almost killed by one the other year.

And yet in some areas they roam freely including across roads.

Jillyjosie - absolutely agree with your post. I grew up with dogs and I’ve shared the last fifty years with dogs. I’ve had three during some periods, currently I have two. I’ve stopped walking mins at our local park due to the number of ‘professional’ dog walkers who open their van doors and let six or eight assorted dogs run free
Many of my usual woodland or lakeside walks are now on lead only for my dogs because of the numbers of untrained off lead dogs racing about
We are edge of moorland so some dairy farms but lots of sheep. Two killed by dogs recently

Some friends of our - fit people in their early 50's I would estimate - walked through a field in Herts containing a herd of cows and one of the cows attacked him and caused him severe bruising - and scared the life out of him. I have read several reports of this, where the outcome has been far more serious. I had always thought of cows of very benign animals and quite often walked through a field of them when I lived in the country as a teenager. Had I known that this could happen, I would never have risked it.

I can’t believe someone said they should be fenced within the field. They are fenced in. In the farmers field. Entitled or what

Some have said that cattle have become more aggressive, I think it's known that the number of dogs has increased as a result of lockdown and I wonder if people wandering around with a dog off the lead are partly responsible.

I have owned dogs all my life and the majority of people I see with dogs now have no idea how to manage them. There is a problem for the farmers too with the spread of a dog related disease called Neospora which causes early abortion in cattle. I live in a rural area and there are frequently reports of cattle having to be destroyed as a result. There are now also regular reports of sheep being chased by dogs.

The countryside is the workplace of farmers, respect needs to exist on both sides. The maintenance of rights of way is important but most farmers care for their animals and have to manage the grazing on their land.

My most frightening experience was being chased by a horse as it happens! Animals loose in fields are not pets but perhaps contact with animals for the bulk of the population is now limited to pets so people don't understand that large animals in fields are different. Horse owners, for instance, often have to put up notices asking people not to feed the horses or put grass cuttings over the fence. It's not just cattle.

Sago

A lot of posters do not seem to understand what it it is to follow a hiking trail through countryside!
We follow public footpaths, many on a designated trail.
We do not wake up one day and decide to go tramping across random fields.
The trails have been planned, way marked and mapped so anyone can go and enjoy the benefits of walking in the great British countryside.
Sadly this is not always possible because of cattle.
More deaths/injuries seem to be occurring and I feel the matter needs to be raised.

As I pointed out, our local field is part of a pilgrim route. People are actually directed away from the path through the village into this field. It’s a long field and there’s nowhere to go if the cows did attack as the path goes right through the centre of the field. There is a sign on the gate warning about the bull. People are always walking between cows and their calves. It really worries me.

Yep l stand by what I initially said a lot of people and their opinions are ignorant!
“lm allowed so l will”

If you don’t even know how a dairy cow reproduces her young then you need to study a bit more, really ?.

I (now knowing it was a very stupid thing to do) walked with my small children and dog (on a lead) through a field following a public right of way. However we couldn't see a small herd of cows which were initially out of sight behind some bushes.

We were talking and looking at the ground when suddenly looking up I saw cows rounding the bushes and coming towards us. I instinctively knew I had to let the dog off the lead, hoping the cows would chase the fast moving animal. I told my child to run as fast as they could to the hedge and scooping up the smallest did likewise. Whilst the cows carried on chasing the dog we made our escape to a gate and safety.

No damage was done as the cows did indeed chase the dog (didn't catch him) but this was around 45 years ago and I have never forgotten the terror. It really is a frightening thing, although I accept I should not have entered the field. Lesson very definitely learned.

Well put MaisieD.
Like you I was born and brought up in the countryside.
We always say a lot of people think it's just a 'themepark for townies'. They don't realise it's a working environment.

Lincslass

Blondiescot

A quick Google search will bring up a number of instances where people were injured by cows without any dogs being involved. It appears that Jeremy Clarkson was injured by his own cows just earlier this year too!

Yes get to close to a cow, or horse, especially with a sudden movement, they will kick out. As many a farmer will attest.

Having grown up in the country and been around horses all my life, I am more than aware of this, thank you.

Blondiescot

A quick Google search will bring up a number of instances where people were injured by cows without any dogs being involved. It appears that Jeremy Clarkson was injured by his own cows just earlier this year too!

Yes get to close to a cow, or horse, especially with a sudden movement, they will kick out. As many a farmer will attest.