NHS staff making themselves unemployed by not having the Covid vaccine

I understood it that the normal progres for trialing vaccines is in stages one following another, this takes time, but because of the extreme urgency for this vaccine all of the trial stages took place at the same time, therefore allowing the vaccine to be produced in a much speedier fashion, but that all the necessary trials were passed nonetheless, therefore the speed of production is not something to be overly concerned about. Regarding unvaccinated staff… of course all staff could possibly pass on Covid , however unvaccinated staff would most likely have a much higher viral load and therefore would be more of a danger to patients, correct me if I have misunderstood this.

For all those berating the health care staff who are making an informed choice about what they put into their bodies please read the following articles from what I would consider to be trusted organisations - www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02243-1/fulltext
www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-067570
Many people, contrary to popular opinion, have done their research and made a decision based on their individual circumstances. There are also hundreds and thousands of people who have had adverse reactions and side effects from this vaccine so they have not gone on to have second or third doses. If you have been lucky enough not to experience any of this you would not have had any reason to research it but the information is there if you look for it, and obviously not publicised as it may put people off having it. In my view where there is risk there should be choice. Many of those who have experienced side effects (many of them serious) are obviously not anti vaxxers otherwise they wouldn't have gone for it in the first place. The only people I know lately who have had covid (and there are many) are those who went to get their booster a short time before. So many unknowns with this still, and very sad to see how it divides people.

I thought, if you were sacked, you could still get benefits. Walking out meant you couldn't. As for wondering why they are rejecting the vax, it may be that because they work in the medical profession they know where to look for data other than what is presented to the public but I always thought something was 'dodgy' about it.
1) PHE and gov.uk downgraded it from a HCID 4 days before the 1st lockdown but Boris went ahead.
2) Pharmaceutical companies got indemnity from blame for adverse reactions. I don't know if doctors and nurses got the same but the Joe Pubic volunteers probably aren't covered.
3) how could they have tested the vaks reactions to over 20,000+ prescription drugs in the few short months before bringing out a vaccine that is completely new technology that is still in trials until 2023.
4) The govt. and the expert advisors admit that those who are double/triple vaxt can still catch and spread the virus and that boosters several times a year will be needed either for many years to come, or even for life!?!?! I remember at the beginning when the two shots were suppose to make you immune.
Do people still have two or three boosters each year from their childhood vaccines, or did the intial 1 or 2 work?
Why does everyone believe every word that comes out of the Govt. when we always say that politicians lie through their teeth? It's time to get curious as it doesn't always 'kill the cat'.

Larsonsmum

As a CEV patient due to severe immunity issues I do NOT want to be treated at any of my many hospital appointments by someone not vaccinated. Problem is - as patients we aren’t party to a health professional’s vaccine status. So my only way of feeling safe would be to know that from later in the year anyone I am seen by is vaccinated.

And yet I bet you would have had no quarms about being treated last year in an emergency situation when all the Nurses and Doctors had not been vaccinated or even had the proper PPE ..so why is it any different now ?
On another note my in my fathers care home …half the staff there had covid before Christmas all had been Vaccinated ..because those that were not lost their jobs ..so it seems to me it makes no difference either way .

Atqui

topcat “ This was after all a bioweapon accidentally released from a lab why would anyone then want to purposefully inject themselves with it? ”
I don’t want to argue with your views on staff being jabbed, but I don’t think the Covid vaccine works the same way as other vaccines that use a live virus , so we are not being injected with Covid.

No, it's not a live vaccine

Callistemon21

^Test all the unvaccinated for natural immunity and they would not need the vaccines^

That seems like logical common sense to me topcat but not many on here would agree.

I agree that testing for antibodies is an alternative to vaccination, both sensible and practical.

topcat “ This was after all a bioweapon accidentally released from a lab why would anyone then want to purposefully inject themselves with it? ”
I don’t want to argue with your views on staff being jabbed, but I don’t think the Covid vaccine works the same way as other vaccines that use a live virus , so we are not being injected with Covid.

Test all the unvaccinated for natural immunity and they would not need the vaccines

That seems like logical common sense to me topcat but not many on here would agree.

As a CEV patient due to severe immunity issues I do NOT want to be treated at any of my many hospital appointments by someone not vaccinated. Problem is - as patients we aren’t party to a health professional’s vaccine status. So my only way of feeling safe would be to know that from later in the year anyone I am seen by is vaccinated.

Getting rid of large numbers of NHS staff so the system collapses and they can sell it to the yanks? Savid was in California not long ago. I’m too cynical!

I have a friend who will loose her job come April as she refuses to have the vaccine.
I do not have any sympathy for her what so ever. Sorry if that sounds hard. My husband is clinically vulnerable along with so many here on gransnet. He is fully vaccinated but should he get covid he may not survive or be very ill.
I think it's very selfish unless there us a medical reason why they cannot have the vaccination.

I saw one being interviewed on tv last week. She didn't want the vaccine because she was young and healthy,I thought she was very selfish.She could lose her job over it,why can't they just get vaccinated.

With what NHS staff must have endured throughout this pandemic I cannot understand why they would not want to protect themselves by taking the vaccine, unless they have a medical reason not to.

Yes it was terrible at first we have all lost someone or know of someone affected by Covid, but the real threat is now over and we should adjust our mentality measures accordingly. We may be frightened but locking ourselves away and enforcing vaccines for those unwilling to have them is pure intransigence and wilful negligence of hope for a better future for all....

Follow the science, not necessarily what the government is spouting as we all know they are very economical with the truth. I am not going to get into any arguments with anyone or go into semantics as I will never get anywhere anyway....

Remember we have a choice the NHS staff do not. If your choice were taken away say by a cut in your pension or by another means would you then feel the same... after all a vaccine enforced today, then what tomorrow.

Test all the unvaccinated for natural immunity and they would not need the vaccines. As for antibodies you do not have any now even after the two vaccines and the third vaccine wanes after 4 weeks..... let nature take its' course and be brave.....don't let the PODS {prophets of doom] get you down.

I’m assuming that everyone in the waiting room during my visit would have been asked for the same vaccination proof. There were only about three people there. No one else was allowed to stay in there only the patients receiving procedures.

I have read this morning that the government is planning to make it necessary to have had three vaccinations in order to enter our country. In other words if we want to go abroad for a holiday we will have to submit to the booster. How ill this leave all the NHS staff who have e not had even one/ A nurse I know has informed me many doctors and consultants have not been vaccinate. I can't believe they are not going to want to go on holidays abroad. More coercion, manipulation. They are finding a new way to make sure all NHS staff get their vaccination or lose their job.

FarNorth

youtu.be/GfnLTR9bh8s
Nigel Farage show Wed 19th January about 28minutes into programme, checkout farage gb news on youtube or on their streaming service.

I had a hospital appointment and a small procedure done yesterday; quite honestly, it was more concerning to sit in a waiting room with over a dozen other people (spaced, but there were a lot of us) than seeing the doctor and the nurse.

No-one asked me to do a Covid test or asked for proof of vaccination and I didn't ask the staff or any of the other patients in the waiting room either.

I was in hospital recently as a day case. I had to provide proof that I had been vaccinated and show a negative covid test result for that morning. I was more than happy to do so. However, I wasn’t allowed to ask if the people treating me had been vaccinated. I wasn’t given a choice as to whether I was happy to be treated by someone unvaccinated. If patients are required to show proof of vaccination shouldn’t they also have the right to know if they are being treated or cared for by unvaccinated staff? I’m not talking about individual names or anything just about giving information which allows a patient to make a choice. Just a thought!

I saw an anaesthetist on TV today saying he has antibodies due to having had covid therefore doesn't need vax. Really? Since when does antibodies stop a great deal of infection being passed on?
It probably wouldn't, but that is what the vaccine relies on too.

Vaccinated people can still pass on the virus.

That's the point; do vaccinated people develop more, fewer or the same antibodies as those who have had Covid and recovered?

This needs a lot more research.

I wouldn't trust an unvaccinated carer near me if I were a vulnerable oldie! Why take a risk when the risk is ALL on someone else?! How selfish, it's like driving like a lunatic when all my passengers have no seatbelts! At least I'LL be ok.......

Top at. You say it's "weaker now" for whom? Who actually is 100% sure how they will react to catching covid? Derek draper didn't have a clue neither did 10000s others who were between 30ish and 60ish, apparently healthy no underlying issues, going about their lives blissfully unaware that somewhere buried deep within their DNA was a flawed thread that would leave them unable to drepel the ravages of covid? Thank gawd I've not had to test the mettle of my DNA so I've had vax all 3 to give myself a fighting chance should I need it! Don't be so naïve

I saw an anaesthetist on TV today saying he has antibodies due to having had covid therefore doesn't need vax. Really? Since when does antibodies stop a great deal of infection being passed on? Or prevent illness and sadly death in an already ill patient? Maybe he shouldn't bother with a scrub before surgery because he's had a tetanus and is healthy? Sod the poor patients! I wouldn't like him sat ultra close as my anaesthetist was when I had hip surgery- knowing he could be riddled with covid of any strain!! Yuk! I was astounded how utterly stupid he sounded, are we all doomed with thick youngsters even if they're medics?!?!? Sounds like it!

Can you show us those figures, topcat?