Im going to put it out there - I have the upmost sympathy for Prince Harry.

I thought that posters were saying that Harry has mental health issues, not the rest of his family.

Perhaps I have a different view, but I don’t think Harry was treated appallingly by his family. I don’t think there’s much evidence of that but there is rather a lot of evidence of how Harry was indulged by his family.

It seems to me that those posters who are unquestionably supportive of Harry’s actions are the very same posters who have often said they would prefer a republic. If that is the case, then of course the royal family will be maligned because in order to dispose of it, it must be seen as guilty. Therefore also, a member of the family who criticises it would be welcomed wholeheartedly as that person provides ‘evidence’ of its dreadful toxicity.

GagaJo

I find it ironic and massively hypocritical that M&H continue to be a whipping boy for many on GN despite Charles horrific behaviour in the past, and also the abuse perpetrated by PA.

But no, let's rant on as infinitum about the Americanised prince.???

What horrific behaviour?

I find it ironic and massively hypocritical that M&H continue to be a whipping boy for many on GN despite Charles horrific behaviour in the past, and also the abuse perpetrated by PA.

But no, let's rant on as infinitum about the Americanised prince.???

Gsm I only wish it was that simple. Unfortunately, it isn't believe me.

So your family can treat you and those you love appallingly but if you shout out about what they have done YOU have the problem. Golly talk about victim blaming!

maddyone

Luckygirl3

Because he has no other protection and he needs it because of the family he was born into? - the most important point. He did not choose to be born into this family.

Nor did Princess Anne, Prince Edward, Lady Louise and her brother James, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, Zara Tindall, Peter Phillips, The Duke of Kent (the Queen’s cousin who still does a few royal duties) and others who I haven’t named who were all born into the royal family.
What exactly is different about Prince Harry than all these other members of the royal family who do not receive security?

He doesn't have security either maddyone (although his military service might be considered as putting him more at risk) he pays for his own in the US. But criticism was made that he had not visited Sentebale in Africa. I pointed out that security in Africa was a completely different matter and it might be too expensive (not to mention him being refused access to information about terrorist activity), but his family could undoubtedly help if they wanted to. It's nothing to do with his every day life just that particular accusation.

maddyone

Luckygirl3

Because he has no other protection and he needs it because of the family he was born into? - the most important point. He did not choose to be born into this family.

Nor did Princess Anne, Prince Edward, Lady Louise and her brother James, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, Zara Tindall, Peter Phillips, The Duke of Kent (the Queen’s cousin who still does a few royal duties) and others who I haven’t named who were all born into the royal family.
What exactly is different about Prince Harry than all these other members of the royal family who do not receive security?

What is different is that the media chose to present H & M as a fairy-tale couple, and then turned on them with vicious articles when they did not obey the family rules and chose to live a different sort of life. Thus they became a target for the loonies.

If any of those listed above were in that situation then they too would need protection.

I also have 100% understanding and sympathy for people with mental health problems, whether it is Prince Harry or a member of my family but I do not think appalling behaviour can be tolerated because of those problems. A member of my family set out with a knife to kill her mother in law. Was she stopped? Absolutely. Was she closely supervised and treated for years? Yes. It was an awful time for the rest of the family. It’s an awful time for Harry’s family. Mentally unstable people often attack their family, through their speech or actions. That doesn’t make it acceptable, it means the person needs long term professional help. Therefore other people shouldn’t be applauding and condoning his behaviour, they should be seriously concerned that he is so unhinged and in need of treatment.

Janamax

What did she 'take'? I genuinely want to know because from what I have seen, she married the man she loved and in return got a lot of toxic, jealous hate thrown at her from a spiteful and vindictive UK press. No wonder they both fled this country. I would have done the same if I were in their shoes.

allegedly.

I only ever read good things about her.
Where are all these so-called toxic words and hate you speak of?

I think it's telling that MM has cut important people out of her life. Only her mother at the wedding?
Reading between the lines it seems she used to have a good relationship with her father when she was younger and wasn't it him that helped open doors to her acting career?
But now she doesn't want to know him.
She is obviously the type of person who thinks nothing of going No Contact with family members.
She has brainwashed Harry into doing the same.
He isn't the sharpest tool in the box and is probably easily manipulated.
Hopefully he will come to his senses one day.
But I doubt it. He's clearly besotted with her and will do anything.

I dread to think whats in his book.

The difference? All named are not making tv interviews or writing books slagging of the family they were born into.

Luckygirl3

*Because he has no other protection and he needs it because of the family he was born into?* - the most important point. He did not choose to be born into this family.

Nor did Princess Anne, Prince Edward, Lady Louise and her brother James, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, Zara Tindall, Peter Phillips, The Duke of Kent (the Queen’s cousin who still does a few royal duties) and others who I haven’t named who were all born into the royal family.
What exactly is different about Prince Harry than all these other members of the royal family who do not receive security?

Luckygirl3

trisher and Janamax - exactly.

We must not let ourselves be led by the nose by the media who like nothing better than a baddie story to get their teeth into.

I used to work on a national magazine and once had a major row with the editor. I was gleaning news and found a story relevant to the mag about a Traveller boy being run over on a roadside site. His first comment? ..... "Oh great - did he die?" This is how their minds work. They just love a bit of negative stuff. He got very short shrift from me.

I also worked in publishing during the Wapping strikes and was warned by many how toxic and damaging Rupert Murdoch would be to the British press. Everything about that man that I was warned about has come to pass.

It is good to see some recognition of shared humanity creeping into this thread.

None of us can really know what it is like to be born into the UK royal family. Clearly it is a challenge for many for lots of reasons. They all have to find ways of dealing with this, and I for one wish them well, especially Harry who seems to attract greater bile than even Andrew.

I wish him and his little family every success in overcoming those things that have caused him pain, and a happy future.

There’s no sign that what he says publicly and the books he’s writing are helping him at all. I can only say from my own experience that focusing on the bad things in your life only makes you feel a great deal worse. Finding other things to focus on is a positive step forward. Nothing you can do will ever make the bad stuff that’s happened go away but you can make things a whole lot worse for yourself and those around you.

Many of us on here have dealt with mental health issues within the family for years. It seriously destroys families, There is no easy answer to it unfortunately.

The person in question needs to reach the point of wanting help and then the process starts along that rocky road.
I think with Harry his need to keep talking and writing about it, is part of his "therapy" (from his own point of view) and if that helps him I am glad.

I doubt very much if the RF would have even seen or offered to help Harry with his problems. All families have their issues but who would want to be part of the RF.
He was deeply scarred by the loss of his mother; sometimes these things never get better it is just a matter, and a long journey, of accepting what has happened.

I hope he reaches the point of accepting and healing from all the things in the past but it is a huge ask.

A bit like the ex husbands wife in Ab Fab (not a patch on the young ones or bottom, though)

It’s so passe as well (I’m saying this slightly tongue in cheek),
but they’ve been ahead of the curve for years in the states re MH issues.

It’s been a running joke that wealthy, privileged Americans have their therapists on speed dial.
It’s a bit coals to Newcastle isn’t it?

I suppose he is yet to learn that, and of course, I suspect he isn't being encouraged to engage in a more healthy way.

We do MissA, though I am always open about my own problems. However in my experience navel gazing and banging on and on about your problems as Harry does doesn’t make them go away. Quite the reverse.

No wonder people struggle alone with their mental health issues, if they're then judged so harshly, is all I can say.

trisher

halfpint1

If my son blurted out his pain like Harry to the public ,I would be worried he had mental problems.

I believe Harry has already admitted to that and urged others to seek support. Any one (including my sons) who admits to mental health problems and seeks help has my 100% support. For far too long it was something which people never spoke about. Growing up with it in the family was a nightmare.

Good post trisha, I’m 100% with your post. My family has experience of loved ones with mental health problems. As you say, living with it is a nightmare.

Harry has been open about his m.h, problems, hoping to encourage others to be open and seek help. No doubt those who can’t find it in themselves to feel compassion may accuse him of seeking the limelight. Of having it so much easier than others, of exaggerating.

There is no doubt in my mind that Harry’s experiences in childhood and early adolescence contributed to drugs/alcohol and other difficulties.

Because he has no other protection and he needs it because of the family he was born into? - the most important point. He did not choose to be born into this family.

At least he's not in the papers for having had to 'pay people off' for things.....

maddyone

Why would the Queen, or anyone else in the royal family pay for security for Harry? The only people in the royal family who receive full time security are:
1) the Queen
2) Prince Charles (direct heir to the throne) and his wife
3) Prince William (direct heir to the throne) and his family
No other members of the royal family receive full time security. When engaged on public duties, Princess Anne and Prince Edward and his wife receive security.
The security is provided by the Metropolitan Police.
So why would Harry be treated differently to all the other members of the royal family?

Because he would be doing good?
Because they can afford it?
Because they care about him?
Because Sentebale people would like to see him?
Because he has no other protection and he needs it because of the family he was born into?
Take your choice