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Do we need the monarchy in this day and and age?

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maddyone Wed 23-Feb-22 11:48:54

Okay, it was suggested on a different thread that a new thread should be started about this, so here goes.
So do we need a monarchy today? That’s it really.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 01-Mar-22 09:42:33

I have no doubt that HM has been in touch with the Ukrainian PM Grany.
This isn’t a war in Europe btw. And the UK is only involved via its membership of NATO. It would not be appropriate for the Queen to make a public statement - it would only serve to provoke Putin further.

Grany Tue 01-Mar-22 09:38:16

Five days into the biggest European war since 1945 and we've heard nothing from Britain's head of state, or from Charles. From William just a brief "we stand with #Ukraine." Let's put to bed this idea that the royals serve any useful purpose, or speak for or unite the nation.

William is busy in the Carribbean trying to shore up the monarchy. Edward and family are skiing. I suspect Princes Michael and Charles are keeping a very low profile for obvious reasons.

"We don't get involved in politics"
Nor do the donate to, volunteer, feed, shelter or aid people in need.
so basically they just dress up stand on a balcony cut some ribbons wave and leech off society.

How do you have a huge platform but have no opinion about ANYTHING???

Grany Tue 01-Mar-22 09:25:30

Prince Michael of Kent accused of selling Kremlin access

May 2021: THERE MUST BE AN INVESTIGATION !

( reader, there was no investigation)
( reader, royal family members don't get investigated)
(reader that's because of idiotic deference)
(reader, they are a weapon against us)
(reader Retweet )

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57042823

Mollygo Tue 01-Mar-22 09:23:45

But you still go on N. Read the nurse, I was simply putting an example on that you might find easier to understand.

nadateturbe Tue 01-Mar-22 08:59:20

I think sometimes GNetters just like to argue.

Totally irrelevant comments re nurse Mollygo.

If you pay someone to do a job and they agree to do it, it doesn’t matter who you are, or how trivial (not fickle) the task is.
Really?

Also you are too old to believe that “if I say this three times it must be true” so no need to say it’s ridiculous again.
I do know if you say something on GN 100 times that is true many will still argue that it isn't true.
Ridiculous!

It's a lovely sunny day, better things to do.

Mollygo Tue 01-Mar-22 08:26:15

Gosh N, you are clutching at straws now.
I would think it very strange to ask a friend, but if I employed someone to do that and they agreed, it’s no different from saying please clean my toilet, and I wouldn’t ask a friend to do that either.
I wouldn’t ask a friend to wipe my backside, but I was grateful to the nurse that did that for me as part of her job. I suppose you’d refuse to let that happen.

Petera Tue 01-Mar-22 08:18:18

Mollygo

Nadateturbe, Saying ‘stupid debate’ doesn’t stop your ‘no debate’ declaration.
If you pay someone to do a job and they agree to do it, it doesn’t matter who you are, or how trivial (not fickle) the task is.
If HM pays someone to look after her shoes and the employee agrees to do it, that’s just as valid as a GN poster asking a cleaner to wipe the skirting boards.
Also you are too old to believe that “if I say this three times it must be true” so no need to say it’s ridiculous again.

If you pay someone to do a job and they agree to do it, it doesn’t matter who you are, or how trivial (not fickle) the task is.

Really? So if children being brought up in poverty go up chimneys? Paid organ donation? Sex work? I'm sure you don't mean that - you must have a line somewhere, it's just in a different place from many other peoples's.

nadateturbe Tue 01-Mar-22 06:35:55

Germanshepherdsmum

Really ? We all know it’s ridiculous? I don’t think so,

There's not one of you who would not think it strange if a friend said "I'm tired of hurting my feet by wearing new shoes in. So I've employed someone to do it for me."
Fact.

Mollygo Tue 01-Mar-22 00:02:39

Oh I do ??

nadateturbe Mon 28-Feb-22 23:46:05

If you say so ?

Callistemon21 Mon 28-Feb-22 23:22:10

If HM pays someone to look after her shoes and the employee agrees to do it, that’s just as valid as a GN poster asking a cleaner to wipe the skirting boards.

One GN poster said that her cleaner sometimes cleaned her oven.
Give me half a dozen pairs of plain black court shoes to clean any day! Especially if I got paid for it.

I'd quite like the teddy job, though. I wonder if all the teddies have names.

Mollygo Mon 28-Feb-22 23:11:05

Nadateturbe, Saying ‘stupid debate’ doesn’t stop your ‘no debate’ declaration.
If you pay someone to do a job and they agree to do it, it doesn’t matter who you are, or how trivial (not fickle) the task is.
If HM pays someone to look after her shoes and the employee agrees to do it, that’s just as valid as a GN poster asking a cleaner to wipe the skirting boards.
Also you are too old to believe that “if I say this three times it must be true” so no need to say it’s ridiculous again.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 28-Feb-22 22:28:35

Really ? We all know it’s ridiculous? I don’t think so,

nadateturbe Mon 28-Feb-22 21:49:21

I repeat "We all know it's ridiculous" (referring to your comment of 16.02)

No intention of discussing something so obvious. And I actually said stupid debate.

Mollygo Mon 28-Feb-22 21:01:03

Where have I seen that ‘no debate’ used before? It’s usually a way of saying you know you’re wrong and that’s fine by me.

nadateturbe Mon 28-Feb-22 20:23:02

No intention of getting into a stupid debate. We all know it's ridiculous.

Mollygo Mon 28-Feb-22 19:00:29

Nadateturbe It’s paid work. You pay for what you want doing. I’ve already read about “what can I ask them to do?” on a thread about getting a cleaner.
You can’t just say oh well because it’s the RF they’re not entitled to pay employees for doing what they ask.
It certainly doesn’t work that way in any other job. You take the job with the conditions of employment and you do it and you get paid. Teaching and some other jobs even have ‘and any other hours necessary to do the job’ clauses.

nadateturbe Mon 28-Feb-22 17:10:50

It's not the same Mollygo.

Jaffacake2 Mon 28-Feb-22 17:06:46

trisher

^Also in the fairy tale would be the Prince who insisted that a servant arranged his 60 teddy bears in the correct places on a bed !!^
Some of them would expect a servant to warm the bed as well!!!

I really do wonder how many more fickle activities royal servants have in their job roles ?

trisher Mon 28-Feb-22 16:52:34

Also in the fairy tale would be the Prince who insisted that a servant arranged his 60 teddy bears in the correct places on a bed !!
Some of them would expect a servant to warm the bed as well!!!

Mollygo Mon 28-Feb-22 16:02:15

Yes Jaffacake2, you are so right! That person should immediately be put out of work and the Queen should sort her own shoes. Likewise the person who arranges teddies, whether for a prince or on the shelves of a toy store. Absolutely ridiculous to pay someone to do that. Same as paying someone to do your housework or your ironing. Jobs like that should be done by the shoe, teddy or house owner.

Callistemon21 Mon 28-Feb-22 15:59:42

Also in the fairy tale would be the Prince who insisted that a servant arranged his 60 teddy bears in the correct places on a bed !!

That might be a good job for DGD - she arranged teddies and other soft toys all around her on pillows when she stayed. They had to be in the right place ??
A place for everything and everything in its place!

Jaffacake2 Mon 28-Feb-22 15:55:58

I was just reading about the paid person who is sorely in charge of the queens footwear. They have to have the same shoe size in order to wear in the queens new shoes so that they don't hurt her feet. Then the job also entails the cleaning of her shoes and placing them in silk bags.
Sometimes it's like reading a fairy tale !!
Now I like the queen she has fulfilled her role over the decades. But really can we stop all this expense and ridiculous treatment of them.
Also in the fairy tale would be the Prince who insisted that a servant arranged his 60 teddy bears in the correct places on a bed !!

Callistemon21 Mon 28-Feb-22 15:38:36

A President's Day?
???

I do hope that was a joke

nadateturbe Mon 28-Feb-22 15:35:02

Grany

trisher

There is absolutely no reason all the pomp and ceremony surrounding the RF (which is what the tourists really come to see) shouldn't continue without a monarch. We could add a few more things as well, perhaps a president's day or a Democracy day to celebrate the date the RF ends.

Agree

Agree