Do we need the monarchy in this day and and age?

I really don't think that Trump could ever have been elected President of the UK!

Hooray!

20 times on this thread that somebody thinks its worth making the observation that we might end up with Trump/Blair/Corbyn (delete as appropriate).

Yes, I counted.

Prefer our Royal Family than a president,we could find ourselves with a Donald Trump,this basically your options

No. Nobody should be privelaged because of their birth. An anachronism of which we should be rid

Once the queen goes I think it should stop. I mean all these ppl in super big houses because born with a silver spoon in their mouths watching the rest of the country struggling to put food or heating on. Where’s the we all equally in Britain. Don’t get me wrong I enjoy watching a royal wedding etc but never saw the point in them. Maybe if I lived down south I would. But lived all my life up north so only see them on tv lol

trisher

DaisyAnne

Trisher. People do not dread voting for a head of state, they are just content with our current form of democracy.

Your comment "I suppose there have always been those who questioned and opposed every step that was taken towards democracy." is simply rot. We have a form of democracy - and they all vary - that the vast majority don't want to change. Your opinion is worth no more, or less than anyone else's but it is a minority view.

Your next line which starts "Slaves who thought it was OK to be owned by someone because some owners were benevolent ..." sounds like the doublespeak coming out of Russia at the moment. Perhaps some Putinitus is going round.

The Queen is a constitutional monarch. She does not make decisions on how our country is run. We are under more threat from the current government than from her. I certainly think some will think we have moved closer to the dark ages after their time in power.

I see your off-topic posts goes on at length so no point in replying to the rest. When we have someone pontificating on how the Queen running the country takes us back to the dark ages I know we have arrived in la-la land.

DaisyAnne have you read some of the posts on this thread? They show fear!
What evidence have you that the vast majority are happy with our democracy? I think the demographic on GN may be happy but other sections certainly aren't
You are spouting the statements about the monarchy most of us were raised on. Unfortunately the reality is different. That's why I posted the link. The Queen has done what you say she doesn't interfered in government.
As for this government being corrupt and self serving, of course they are and it seems there is no one to support the constitutional traditions this country has always used. The PM is riding roughshod over them, the speaker seems powerless to intervene. An elected H of S could point out this and hold the government to account. Polly Toynbee says it better www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/17/britain-monarchy-end-royal-jubilee

I am not going to bother with what you purport to be fact other than to say I don't know how anyone other than the Queen can be judged for interference as they are not Sovereign at this time.

As you seem to pick what you read I will repeat:

Polling suggests that a large majority of Britons were in favour of the monarchy during the 1990s and 2000s with support mostly ranging from 70% to 74% and never falling below 65%. The latest poll was carried out by Ipsos Mori had 60% were in favour of the Monarchy and 21% against. That left 19% who are undecided.

If we did have another referendum there is no way the anarchists would be able to take over and make it undemocratic again. That would mean, as I explained earlier, those who don't vote, presumably around that 21% would be counted as wanting the status quo bringing those not wanting a change up to 79%.

GN members are citizens of this country, not a stand-alone state called Gransnet.

volver

Mazmoonshine54

If we didn't have a monarchy we would have a president.
Putin, Trump ? Need I say more?

No you don't. You really don't.

Not read the thread then?

I'm open to some sensible suggestions

I expect the Monarchy will be gone long before George and it won't be because the British people voted to abolish it.
It will be because there will be a totally new world order.

I love the monarchy they make me proud to be British! The slimmed down version will be perfect. This year with all the jubilee celebrations is something to look forward to. Bring out the bunting and let’s celebrate our wonderful heritage that’s second to none world wide xx

Remember the scene of ER returning from some visit or other and shaking hands with her young son (Charles)?

Oh, that old chestnut ???

Forming an opinion on one picture is ludicrous

Mazmoonshine54

If we didn't have a monarchy we would have a president.
Putin, Trump ? Need I say more?

No you don't. You really don't.

Not read the thread then?

have you read some of the posts on this thread? They show fear!

Fear of what?

I'm certainly not afraid of a tongue-lashing from other Gransetters because I might differ in my opinions!!

If we didn't have a monarchy we would have a president.
Putin, Trump ? Need I say more?

Reduced monarchy, reduced civil list proper jobs for the rest. Ditch the honours system except for those who have done genuine good for the people of this country. No bowing and scraping, no feudalism. What is the point of them? They bring in money and tourists but are, like many a totally dysfunctional family. Remember the scene of ER returning from some visit or other and shaking hands with her young son (Charles)? Like her or not Diana loved her boys. Chas and Cami should retire and grow plants. William and Kate groomed to be bland as bland. I think as a country we have been leaderless for years - no one seems to be standing up for the ordinary people.

They don’t show fear! What nonsense.

DaisyAnne

*Trisher*. People do not dread voting for a head of state, they are just content with our current form of democracy.

Your comment "I suppose there have always been those who questioned and opposed every step that was taken towards democracy." is simply rot. We have a form of democracy - and they all vary - that the vast majority don't want to change. Your opinion is worth no more, or less than anyone else's but it is a minority view.

Your next line which starts "Slaves who thought it was OK to be owned by someone because some owners were benevolent ..." sounds like the doublespeak coming out of Russia at the moment. Perhaps some Putinitus is going round.

The Queen is a constitutional monarch. She does not make decisions on how our country is run. We are under more threat from the current government than from her. I certainly think some will think we have moved closer to the dark ages after their time in power.

I see your off-topic posts goes on at length so no point in replying to the rest. When we have someone pontificating on how the Queen running the country takes us back to the dark ages I know we have arrived in la-la land.

DaisyAnne have you read some of the posts on this thread? They show fear!
What evidence have you that the vast majority are happy with our democracy? I think the demographic on GN may be happy but other sections certainly aren't
You are spouting the statements about the monarchy most of us were raised on. Unfortunately the reality is different. That's why I posted the link. The Queen has done what you say she doesn't interfered in government.
As for this government being corrupt and self serving, of course they are and it seems there is no one to support the constitutional traditions this country has always used. The PM is riding roughshod over them, the speaker seems powerless to intervene. An elected H of S could point out this and hold the government to account. Polly Toynbee says it better www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/17/britain-monarchy-end-royal-jubilee

I think what concerns me most about the monarchy is the cost for the next 20 years. 1. Jubilee. 2 Queens funeral. 3 Charles coronation. 4 Charles funeral. 5 William's coronation.
Billions will be spent, somewhere cuts need to be considered.
I am the same age as Charles and frankly he is far too old to be
proffered as the next monarch and that's if he died now. Are we to crown him when he is 80 plus which could happen if the Queen follows her Mother. The monarchy needs updating if its to survive at all and NO more bowing. I used to be a monarchist but sadly no more. A very slimmed down monarchy but be more acceptable to more people.

Just a thought, IF we decide the time has come to permanently have done with our Royalist Tradition & Heritage, Will we then move on to ‘capping ‘how wealthy a Family or Individual is allowed to be? …. .. communism doesn’t work to well either does it… ? Nothing in life is ever fair or equal …..

Like others, I can appreciate that the whole idea of monarchy can seem ridiculous in this age, BUT (like others here) I've thought about what would replace it - when Trump was US President I was very glad we had a monarchy instead. Would I want Boris as our elected president (he's embarrassing enough as PM). What I appreciate about our monarchy is the steadiness and sense of continuance it gives to our country, especially when everything-else is in flux. AND I like the fact that the monarch is always someone who was born into the RF and learned "on the job" from the previous monarch. We don't have some novice every 4 years, we have someone who saw their parent doing the job, probably for decades and understand very well what it entails and how to do it. If they don't want to do it, then abdication is always an option - so no-one is forced into the job. Personally, I hope that Monarchy survives well past my lifetime - I think that Charles and William will be fine as monarchs, and then the ones that follow can decide whether or not they want the job! As others have said, we have to be careful to consider what the alternative will be and well may not realise what we have until its gone.

Did you get asked about the Mayors and Police and Crime Commissioners ..is that ONE job or two?

I'm not sure.
The London Mayor is both.
We don't have a Mayor here.

I do think all the people calling for the end of the monarchy wont be so happy if it does go and your taxes sore to replace the lost tourist income. Britain earns billions in tourist money, all over the country once they have finished in London. I used to work in the Lake District and must say we had so so many Chinese and American that just came to see the queen

Stability has gone.

The question here is what would we have instead. Or who? Do we want a revolving door of people of different political persuasions because most likely they would be politicians. We would know their politics. The monarchy isn't really about people, it's about the institution. Royal family is like the key stone at the top of the arch, take it away and the stsbilities gone. The royals bring in the tourists as well. It would be the biggest example ever of you don't know what you've got till you lose it.

WE dont vote for Police or Crime commisioners OR Mayors ,thats a level of local government we dont have or want ,Council ,Holyrood and Westminster elections ..or at least thats the ones I vote in .Did you get asked about the Mayors and Police and Crime Commissioners ..is that ONE job or two?
Our Police service cut back on top jobs ,there were too many old guys with yards of gold braid on their jackets being drien in luxury cars by chauffeurs .We replaced some of those with extra feet on the streets ,Oh and crime is at a 40 year low

Trisher. People do not dread voting for a head of state, they are just content with our current form of democracy.

Your comment "I suppose there have always been those who questioned and opposed every step that was taken towards democracy." is simply rot. We have a form of democracy - and they all vary - that the vast majority don't want to change. Your opinion is worth no more, or less than anyone else's but it is a minority view.

Your next line which starts "Slaves who thought it was OK to be owned by someone because some owners were benevolent ..." sounds like the doublespeak coming out of Russia at the moment. Perhaps some Putinitus is going round.

The Queen is a constitutional monarch. She does not make decisions on how our country is run. We are under more threat from the current government than from her. I certainly think some will think we have moved closer to the dark ages after their time in power.

I see your off-topic posts goes on at length so no point in replying to the rest. When we have someone pontificating on how the Queen running the country takes us back to the dark ages I know we have arrived in la-la land.

orly

Freya5

Funny no one on here suggesting what would replace the Monarchy, a constitutional one. Remember Ollie Cromwell, didn’t end well. Unless you go the French /Russian way and have state sponsored murder, be careful what you wish for.

Maybe we could opt for a Putin type leader, or Donald Trump or worst of all President Blair!

Er….how many times has this been said on this thread?