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Do we need the monarchy in this day and and age?

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maddyone Wed 23-Feb-22 11:48:54

Okay, it was suggested on a different thread that a new thread should be started about this, so here goes.
So do we need a monarchy today? That’s it really.

Callistemon21 Wed 16-Mar-22 14:22:06

Monarchs have often been adulterers
and their wives.

That's why we don't have the Plantagenets on the throne today.

Jaxie Wed 16-Mar-22 14:10:39

Monarchs have often been adulterers, so that shouldn’t rule out Charles, but I think his rarified upbringing and life experience has made him unsuitable for the position of king. Perhaps William would be better suited to dealing with and understanding ordinary people.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 16-Mar-22 11:52:00

Well I agree with you on Harry Grany.

Grany Wed 16-Mar-22 10:39:49

Prince William and Kate will celebrate the Queen’s legacy in Belize, Jamaica and the Bahamas with a Platinum Jubilee outing

Jamaica doesent want to pay for their holiday.

The queens legacy in Belize, Jamaica and the Bahamas? Maintaining and benefiting from the systems of oppression set up by her ancestors? Not paying reparations or apologising for the atrocities carried out buy her ancestors?

To celebrate the Imperialist legacy of plunder, racism and and all the vicious atrocities heaped on them. The oppressed would so love to be reminded of and celebrate what their colonial masters did to them.

Harry not going to be at memorial service Media that's a snub

William and Kate skiiing Media that's a surprise

Dickens Tue 15-Mar-22 21:44:42

Bridgeit

It’s a bit like closing a factory, & then deciding to open a new one .

It's not really.

Civilisations change, transform, evolve - what was once accepted as the norm become outdated or no longer relevant.

To borrow from Francis Urquhart (House of Cards)... "nothing lasts forever. Even the longest, the most glittering reign must come to an end someday."

I'm not arguing for or against, just pointing out that your comparison doesn't really work.

Calendargirl Mon 14-Mar-22 15:18:04

crazyH

Talking of monarchy, did you see the Duchess of Cambridge at the Commonwealth Service ? She is just too thin …..

I think she works really hard to keep so slim.

You cannot escape the fact that the gorgeous clothes she wears look so nice on her tall, elegant figure.

Bridgeit Mon 14-Mar-22 15:08:06

Because they don’t need to.

CoolCoco Mon 14-Mar-22 15:06:31

Well some people thought slavery was a good thing, but that doesn't make it so these days. Why aren't countries which are republics changing over to monarchies?

Bridgeit Mon 14-Mar-22 15:01:59

At that time yes, that is what I am saying .
Everything progresses, but everything is not necessarily progress .

volver Mon 14-Mar-22 14:57:27

Bridgeit

It’s a bit like closing a factory, & then deciding to open a new one .

Or, a bit like abolishing slavery and having to start using the ships for a more honourable profession.

Do you think we should have kept the cotton mills open because of all the women they employed?

confused

Bridgeit Mon 14-Mar-22 14:54:51

It’s a bit like closing a factory, & then deciding to open a new one .

crazyH Mon 14-Mar-22 14:54:00

Talking of monarchy, did you see the Duchess of Cambridge at the Commonwealth Service ? She is just too thin …..

Bridgeit Mon 14-Mar-22 14:53:52

Why alter something that works to then have to find an alternative ie.other employment ?

volver Mon 14-Mar-22 14:50:28

?

I am lost now.

Bridgeit Mon 14-Mar-22 14:50:01

But totally unnecessary.

volver Mon 14-Mar-22 14:48:33

Bridgeit

Your Comment does not make sense ?

I'll have another go then....

The ongoing job opportunities afforded by our having a Royal Family are not enough in themselves to justify having a Royal Family. Whatever the "100s" of people are doing, there are other jobs they could do. Possibly a good number of the jobs are involved with looking after a well-off family and their many homes, and so those jobs would continue to exist. Moving to a republican system does not mean depriving individual people of the assets or lifestyle, it means we have a different form of government.

But the structure of job markets change. Some types of jobs will disappear, and others will replace them. I suspect that when bear baiting was made illegal, there were complaints about what the bear baiters would do for a living. Well, they had to find other employment, because it was decided that bear baiting was not something that this country wanted to support any more.

So anybody currently working for the RF will have to find other employment, if and when we change our systems of government.

volver Mon 14-Mar-22 14:46:40

I am not GSM, just for clarity. smile

Bridgeit Mon 14-Mar-22 14:44:29

Then why reply to a question that doesn’t make sense to you?

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 14-Mar-22 14:43:26

Nor did your question.

Bridgeit Mon 14-Mar-22 14:38:15

Your Comment does not make sense ?

volver Mon 14-Mar-22 14:30:53

Well even if it was financially less rewarding, at least it wasn't bear baiting. confused

Bridgeit Mon 14-Mar-22 14:16:07

It would be good to know what employment they found , was it better worse , financially better etc ?

volver Mon 14-Mar-22 12:54:22

Bridgeit

The question posed was ‘Do we need the Monarchy in this day and age??
We may not ‘ need’ them ( but perhaps ask the 100s of folks who earn a living through employment within the the establishment) not to mention that many do like to have a reason to celebrate ,get together and share a party atmosphere.
To Believe that our own lives will somehow be better without them , would be a disappointment.Although I suppose we would soon find someone else’s life to rail against.

Bread and circuses then?

A lot of people used to earn their living supporting bear baiting and cock fighting. We decided we didn't need that after all, and they found other employment.

Bridgeit Mon 14-Mar-22 12:52:35

The question posed was ‘Do we need the Monarchy in this day and age??
We may not ‘ need’ them ( but perhaps ask the 100s of folks who earn a living through employment within the the establishment) not to mention that many do like to have a reason to celebrate ,get together and share a party atmosphere.
To Believe that our own lives will somehow be better without them , would be a disappointment.Although I suppose we would soon find someone else’s life to rail against.

volver Mon 14-Mar-22 10:39:48

Oh, that's good.