I can feel the tears brewing in my eyes......

Granny23

I was castigated by my DD for saying that I felt felt so much more emotionally involved with the situation in Ukraine than I had ever felt with regard to Palestine, Iran/Iraq or Vietnam, and this was because the people involved were 'just like us'. Apparently this is not a PC way of thinking but I can't help my feelings. This was especially true when a reporter interviewed an older Ukrainian Gentleman with a full white beard, who was the absolute double of and dressed the same as one of my lovely Scottish neighbours. It somehow made the situation personal and brought it so close to home.

I know what you mean. The people are not less important in the Middle East, but that wasn’t driven by one man who seems to have stupefied all those around him. There’s also the nuclear threat.

I feel for anyone in the situation the Ukrainians are at this moment in time.
I cried when i saw the parents of that poor little boy,how sad for all involved.
The Russian people must feel it too.
And the footballers playing in the UK also bring it home to us how they too are worried sick aboút their families.

I feel the same. Heartbroken for those families fleeing from their homes in terror, sheltering in metro stations and basements. It’s on my mind all day and the first thing I think of when I waken several times overnight.

I’ve had my AC and 4 grandchildren with me all weekend which has been lovely. But I’ve found myself looking at the 2 sets of cousins laughing and having fun together and I feel quite overwhelmed with worry about what the future holds.

I feel the same. I can't listen to news without getting emotional so like Coastpath I try to balance it.
My level of happiness is definitely lower at the minute. How can it not be, when you see people suffering so much and know little can be done to stop it.

You know, I haven't told anyone how they should be feeling, I have expressed how it made me feel.

Either neither of us should have expressed those emotions or it is ok for both of us too.

I've watched local families going through this devastating worry about loved ones back home, and I can't even imagine how they feel.

I've watched local collections for refugees be absolutely slated by some saying we should be helping our own whereas with the Ukraine that is not happening.

Perhaps now people have learnt to empathise for one nation as being "closer to home" they can now empathise for many others and if that is so that would be a positive.

I cannot apologise for my honest reaction to someone else's words. Some things are better not said on a public forum, especially if saying it has already brought a negative reaction.

Granny23 I am with you. I can sympathise with your DD's view but younger people won't remember the days of the Cold War. The West's reaction to Putin's invasion has tipped us all back to the edge of WW3. Us oldies will appreciate and fear this more than our children! Also, the Ukainians are very much Europeans so we identify with them so much more. Conflict in the Middle East or Africa, terrible as it is / was, is more remote, physically and socially. Often when the West has been involved in such conflicts we have had a strong hand and often helped peace come about. With the situation in Ukraine I am feeling a sense of helplessness of the West particularly as we are bombarded by the plight of the people. Also, so sad to hear of young Russian soldiers dying in a conflict they had no part in bringing about other than having been ordered in. I pray our leaders find the path of peace again soon but difficult to hope for that with Putin in control of Russia.

I don't watch the TV news anymore - the radio and news websites is awful enough.

I haven't watched the news for a week, and I used to love current affairs because not only are the sights too terrible but there is the knowledge that Putin has nuclear weapons, God help us all.

I watch the news headlines first thing then don't watch any more. The heartbreaking pictures have me in tears and stay with me all day.

I have just spent a lovely day with my youngest son and partner but every now and again I would feel really guilty that we were able to enjoy our day together

Some things are better not said on a public forum, especially if saying it has already brought a negative reaction.

VioletSkyCan you not see the irony of you trying to police how Granny23 feels, thinks and posts and how many Russian citizens are also feeling, thinking and posting about this situation and being censored? Whilst you cannot apologise for your honest reaction to someone else's words neither can Granny23, Allsorts, Grandma70s, Aveline,MayBee70 & me and everyone else who feels a stronger and more emotional connection to the current conflict than others that are geographically more distant.

As for Some things are better not said on a public forum, especially if saying it has already brought a negative reaction; your personal reaction to how someone else feels about this war is not their responsibility to shut up and not voice their emotions too - one emotion doesn't trump another.

Seeing people dressed like us, with similar appearance and possessions does bring it closer to home. As does the inescapable fact that this could escalate and involve us directly. Saying that does not mean that we can't or don't empathise with people in Syria or Afghanistan - it's just that those people are further away and there is far less that we can do to help.

I saw a little Ukrainian girl (on the news) at the Polish border, and she was clutching a toy rabbit - exactly the same as the one my daughter toted everywhere with her at that age. I burst into tears. I think that's perfectly natural.

Holysox I absolutely agree with you, especially about younger people

I experienced this 30 years ago when DD had Schindler's List on her A level English reading list. She knew all about the Holocaust, but she just did not understand the horrible detail and found the book very low key and boring, whereas I was born during the war, remembered the Nurembourg trials and read the books and found the sheer banality of the violence in the book so terrible. So I went to the library and borrowed some personal testimony books about the experiences of the holocaust. Once DD read about exactly what happened in the Concentration Camps in nauseous detail, she understood Schindler's List.

The generation below her know all about the Cold War, but do not know what it feels like to live on that nuclear knife edge, where half of Europe lived under the heel of Russia and the terrible things that happened to people there. Even Putin's Russia is not as terrible as Stalin or Brezhnevs's Russia.

It is probably like we felt about the Spanish flu epidemic of 1918-20, before we experienced COVID. Now we can understand the fear that must have gripped people worldwide back then as it did us in 2020.

Redhead56
Many will share your thoughts.This is not 1939
The implications 2022 do not bear thinking about.

MOnica .. ah yes, Schindlers List. What I took from the film was how German society slid into 'acceptance' as the atrocities got worse ... and even felt that as a viewer. Let's pray the Russian people don't get taken along that road. On News bulletins of Putin he appears surrounded by people who look simply dumbfounded. Let's pray they start waking up and take action before it's too late.

Seeing people dressed like us, with similar appearance and possessions does bring it closer to home Yes, it does. We have a shared history, connection, lifestyle and religion with Ukraine that goes back to WW2 and beyond. This doesn't mean that we care less about victims of war and conflict from other, more distant continents; the recent evacuations refugees from Afghanistan and the global support, donations and offers of shelter lay testament to how much people care for ALL victims of war.

Agree with your post Chewbacca.
Violetsky you must be getting dizzy on that moral high ground you inhabit.

The situation is absolutely terrible whichever way you look at it. The 'incident' that got to me was the very young Russian soldier taken prisoner of war being helped to call his mum in Russia on a borrowed Ukrainian mobile phone.

sodapop

Agree with your post Chewbacca.
Violetsky you must be getting dizzy on that moral high ground you inhabit.

An offensive post

The Mum in pain because she had lost her young son was absolutely heartbreaking.

I saw a little Ukrainian girl (on the news) at the Polish border, and she was clutching a toy rabbit - exactly the same as the one my daughter toted everywhere with her at that age. I burst into tears. I think that's perfectly natural

I saw that too, Doodledog.
That did it for me - collapsed in a heap and lost it completely.?

I am with you granny23, same culture as me, similar history to mine. I am from a displaced family, due to russia. An uncle shot by kgb. I have been feeling this so closely, I feel my heart pounding in my chest. I have taken steps to preserve my psyche and health, I now have a protective bubble around myself.

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^I saw a little Ukrainian girl (on the news) at the Polish border, and she was clutching a toy rabbit - exactly the same as the one my daughter toted everywhere with her at that age. I burst into tears. I think that's perfectly natural^

I saw that too, Doodledog.
That did it for me - collapsed in a heap and lost it completely.?

I keep thinking about her. Luckily she had made it to Poland, but remembering my daughter's rabbit (she still has it) really made me imagine how I would have felt as a young mother having to leave my husband to a very uncertain fate and take my little children to a strange place where I was reliant on the good will of others. How could it not?

I don't apologise for that - I think it would have been less than human not to feel it.

I haven't claimed any kind of moral high ground, simply stated that I found a comment upsetting. I can understand why the daughter was upset by those comments. I hope that that can be made right between mother and daughter and a lesson can be learned from this.

I think younger people have grown up in a much more diverse Britain in a much more connected world where distance from atrocity is not a factor.

It's difficult, when you have connections to people involved or have tried to help in whatever way you can while under fire by people who turned their backs in the past on certain groups... to then see those groups specifically mentioned in such a way is painful.

If that cannot be understood then that is the way it is but I have tried to explain it.

I have sat here and read the responses to me and some of them were not kind either so wherever ever the moral high ground is, it's not here.

Anyway I will leave it there because this thread should have stayed about the plight of the Ukranian people from the start

Yes it should

Travelsafar, your puzzlement that Putin is holding the whole world to ransome is shared by me.

I too am finding myself in tears quite often …. Tears of sadness for the people and leaders of Ukraine, and tears of frustration that nothing apparently can be done to stop this war or to militarily support Ukraine. (I hear and understand the fear of initiating WW3) But ….
I cannot understand why most countries’ domestic legislation requires that, if there is evidence that a crime is being committed, then the (alleged) perpetrator(s) can be arrested and stopped from further criminal activity, whilst a full investigation takes place with a view to legal judgement being reached in a court …..
Yet, in this case, whereas there is a court which can try such cases (The International Criminal Court that sits in The Hague) there doesn’t appear to be any official international body that can “make the arrest” (now!) to prevent the alleged crime continuing.
Am I making sense? Or bring too simplistic?
I found the NATO Rules of Engagement - but I’m not a lawyer …. Or a politician.
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/905877/20200728-doctrine_nato_allied_joint_doctrine_ajp_01.pdf
I wish that, in all the media covering of this war, that someone would explain this for me! Or maybe a Gransnetter can?
Most of all, I wish the war would stop , now.