Vagina Museum

Link to that Twitter thread, if you're interested:

twitter.com/tribunaltweets/status/1501952443403227137

But it's transmen who want the maternity services to use "people who give birth" the phrase that sent you all into a spin sometime ago with allegations of denying you the right to be called "mother" etc etc. Transmen were then vilified, now apparently they are OK
It seems to me that you pick and choose when to be offended about any situation.
Transwomen are no threat to anyone either. Saying they are is really unacceptable. No one group of people are a threat individuals within any group may be.

Lots of people have little knowledge about any anatomy.

From Maya Forstater's current tribunal.
OD is a female lawyer, Olivia Faith Dobbie. How can she believe what she said - or is it just that lawyers say whatever rubbish is necessary to try to win their case?

I'm just catching up on this thread.
Wow, trisher, got to admire your persistence in the face of logic.

Chewbacca

^How many men know much about female anatomy anyway?^

Well judging by the comment that "everyone has a prostate"; I'd say that a few women are struggling too.

That's the point.
The average person doesn't understand this stuff and needs to be told whether it applies to female people (women) or male people (men).

Why do we not mention much about transmen trisher wonders.
Because transmen are usually no threat to anyone, except maybe themselves, unless they demand that words like 'mother' and 'breast feeding' are to be removed from the English language unless used, wrongly, for transwomen only.

FannyCornforth

How many men know much about female anatomy anyway?

Good point.
They should first be asked "Do you know what a cervix is?".

trisher

Rosie51

It's all very reminiscent of 'women, know your place.' Men are to be obeyed and revered and even more so when they take on the mantle of transwomen. Male (usually white) privilege reigns no matter what garb it dons. I suppose that's intersectional privilege?

A classic example of ignoring transmen (they're women who don't count) and non-binary people (don't know or care what they are). The world is wider, the possibilities more, the opportunities greater than some people can even imagine. Embrace change. Move forward.
Male white privillege hates people who are different just like you do.

Male white privillege hates people who are different just like you do. how dare you! You are so offensive you really can't sink much lower.
Transmen as has been explained to you many, many times pose no threat to women and girls. Can you try to retain that? Non-binary, well that probably includes virtually everyone who isn't trans, but most of us don't need a special label to indicate we're not a stereotype. Even those who label themselves non-binary have to select a sex option when going into single sex spaces, so as long as they select the one that corresponds with their biological sex, no problem. Is that clear enough?
You really do have tickets on yourself ???

How many men know much about female anatomy anyway?

Well judging by the comment that "everyone has a prostate"; I'd say that a few women are struggling too.

Rosie51

It's all very reminiscent of 'women, know your place.' Men are to be obeyed and revered and even more so when they take on the mantle of transwomen. Male (usually white) privilege reigns no matter what garb it dons. I suppose that's intersectional privilege?

A classic example of ignoring transmen (they're women who don't count) and non-binary people (don't know or care what they are). The world is wider, the possibilities more, the opportunities greater than some people can even imagine. Embrace change. Move forward.
Male white privillege hates people who are different just like you do.

FannyCornforth

Well, it might remind you of it Trisher; but that doesn’t mean that it has any truth in it.

???

It's all very reminiscent of 'women, know your place.' Men are to be obeyed and revered and even more so when they take on the mantle of transwomen. Male (usually white) privilege reigns no matter what garb it dons. I suppose that's intersectional privilege?

Well, it might remind you of it Trisher; but that doesn’t mean that it has any truth in it.

Doodledog

trisher

Check out who has a prostate prostatecanceruk.org/prostate-information/about-prostate-cancer
Covers all people.

Covers all people? I don't think so. I checked out who has a prostate as requested. This is from your link:

Who has a prostate?
men
trans women
non-binary people who were assigned male at birth
some intersex people.

So, 'all people' in your world does not include women? Funny that.

Here's a link about the 'female prostate' - which isn't really a prostate at all, but Skene's Glands, which are named after the male gland for some reason.

Perhaps I should have added all people with a prostate.
I believe the original argument was that all prostate cancer advertising onlly mentioned men. It doesn't.
Now apparently it is also supposed to mention women. Not something I have ever claimed.
As usual on these threads those who of course aren't anti-trans and only want to support women ignore anyone who doesn't fit in with their narrow perceptions.
Like transmen, non-binary people and because of course they are evil personified transwomen.
I now fully expect them come back with "I've nothing against transwomen but....". Reminds me of all those people who used to say "I've nothing against black people but....".

How many men know much about female anatomy anyway?

FannyCornforth I saw that interview. David Lammy prefaced the cervix comment with he thought they didn't have ovaries but could have cervices. He knows as well as the rest of them the utter stupidity of that remark but like the rest he's running scared and needs to grow a backbone. I do live in hope Doodledog that once the pushback starts it will escalate like an avalanche, then we can formulate sensible policies that are fair to all.

Cross post with Rosie (both very cross posts)

FarNorth

I am so sick of inaccurate press reports about cross dressing men.
The defending lawyer called this person 'female'.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/drinker-kicked-out-pub-paraded-26441912

‘She exposed her genitals’, which we later read is a penis

FarNorth it's sickening isn't it, and you were nearly at the end of the article before they mentioned the 'privates' was a penis.

Sarah Ditum (standing in for Janice Turner) has written an opinion piece on Labour’s stance.

She mentions that David Lammy (who I have never had much time for) said on LBC that transwomen can have cervixes ;‘following hormone treatment, procedures and the rest of it’.

The comments are turned off for that article too.

But resourceful readers are discussing the TWAW debate in the comments section of other articles.
Mostly naughty, unkind women.

I don't think there are many that do believe the mantra. What I do think is they feel safe enough for them and theirs from the consequences of letting this train run out of control. They don't imagine any females close to them being imprisoned, needing a women's refuge, having to share a hospital ward with a male etc so they can close their minds to the risks.

There is so much public confusion about transpeople especially which word applies to which transition. There are people who think a transwoman is a woman who has transitioned, not a man. For those that understand it's a man living as a woman the belief still seems to be that they surgically transition which we know is an absolute fallacy. The TRAs used to claim that didn't happen because of the expense, long waiting lists blah blah, but of course we know it's because they have no intention of parting with their penis, which is why we have the 'women can have penises too'

I am so sick of inaccurate press reports about cross dressing men.
The defending lawyer called this person 'female'.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/drinker-kicked-out-pub-paraded-26441912

Does anyone think that all these politicians genuinely believe the TWAW mantra? It seems unlikely, given the disparity in their views on most things, the backlash against Stonewall ‘on the ground’, and given that they are educated intelligent people.

I wonder if it will just take one of them to break away and say that the Emperor has no clothes for the others to follow suit?

You are not allowed to comment on the article.

It's becoming a theme isn't it? If I had a suspicious mind, I'd be thinking that women are being forcibly railroaded into losing everything they've fought for for the past 100 years and having any voice of dissent silenced.

Exactly Doodledog
Instead of completely remodeling society to pretend that people can change sex, we need to remodel it so that trans people are accommodated fairly without creating new dangers for women & girls.

Kier Starmer said yesterday that ‘trans women (sic) are women’.

It is reported in The Times.
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