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Iam64

I don’t know how we came to this Doodledog.
I see that Keir Starmer is in support of maintaining safe spaces for women and girls. He adds the law says anyone can self ID as a woman. Confused ?

Yes, the desperate desire to placate TRAs is producing increasingly contradictory thinking.

I wish someone would have the courage to wind back and say something like ‘We have no wish to discriminate against anyone. Transpeople are fully entitled to the same rights as anyone else, and may, of course, ‘live as’ members of either sex. Nevertheless they cannot escape biology, and will remain legally in the sex-group in which they were born. Let’s stop pretending they can do otherwise’.

When the TRAs had stopped jumping up and down, and the screams of ‘Transphobe’ had subsided, I bet a lot of people would agree with them and be supportive.

Iam64

I don’t know how we came to this Doodledog.
I see that Keir Starmer is in support of maintaining safe spaces for women and girls. He adds the law says anyone can self ID as a woman. Confused ?

Iam64
It’s beyond belief but either
he hasn’t realised the stupidity of what he is saying
or
he thinks that all those who self ID as women will respect the rights of females and not attempt to use the safe spaces,
or
he’s like all the other politicians who are afraid in case they get called bigoted or phobic for speaking the biological truth.

I don’t know how we came to this Doodledog.
I see that Keir Starmer is in support of maintaining safe spaces for women and girls. He adds the law says anyone can self ID as a woman. Confused ?

It becomes clear, right enough.

Women are not included in ‘all people’. Feminism is no longer about females.
The word ‘woman’ includes men.
The word ‘female’ includes males.
Mothers are ‘people who give birth’.
Safe spaces for women and girls are open to men and boys.
All-women shortlists are open to men.
Women’s sport is open to men.
Biology is disregarded in favour of ‘presentation’ or ‘identification.

Can anyone point to anything about any of this that is not detrimental to women and girls?

People are gaslighted into calling this ‘inclusion’, or ‘intersectional’, and those who stand up to that are strongarmed or blackmailed into doublespeak (eg that it is ‘not right’ or ‘factually inaccurate’ to say that only women have cervixes.)

How have we come to this?

Thanks Chewbacca it becomes clear. If I have a droopy trio hanging down at the front then I likely have a prostate. If I have neat, mostly internal 'bits' then the probability is heavily in favour of I don't.
That is really useful, so much easier than using terms like male or female, man or woman.

https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202203/medium-649581-1647045118384.jpg https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202203/medium-616798-1647045401764.jpg

For those who are still struggling with basic O level biology, these little diagrams may help them to distinguish between the prostate havers and the none prostate havers.

trisher

Check out who has a prostate prostatecanceruk.org/prostate-information/about-prostate-cancer
Covers all people.

Covers all people? I don't think so. I checked out who has a prostate as requested. This is from your link:

Who has a prostate?
men
trans women
non-binary people who were assigned male at birth
some intersex people.

So, 'all people' in your world does not include women? Funny that.

Here's a link about the 'female prostate' - which isn't really a prostate at all, but Skene's Glands, which are named after the male gland for some reason.

trisher

Check out who has a prostate prostatecanceruk.org/prostate-information/about-prostate-cancer
Covers all people.

Not quite the 'people with a prostate' you claimed then, but nice try, 3/10 for effort.

Across the UK

I’ve looked at your link, Trisher. It mentions that men and a range of other people may have a prostate. Luckily, anyone with a prostate who isn’t a man won’t be affected by cancer, because the page goes on to say this, which mentions only men. It’s great that we can now identify out of sex-based illnesses!

Prostate cancer is the most common cancer in men.
More than 47,500 men are diagnosed with prostate cancer every year – that's 129 men every day.
Every 45 minutes one man dies from prostate cancer – that's more than 11,500 men every year.
1 in 8 men will be diagnosed with prostate cancer in their lifetime.
Around 400,000 men are living with and after prostate cancer.

trisher

Check out who has a prostate prostatecanceruk.org/prostate-information/about-prostate-cancer
Covers all people.

If it covers all people have you had yours checked, trisher?
When would you recommend is the time/age for everyone to get their prostate gland checked?
I know they can enlarge with age.
Should we all be asking our GPs for a PSA test?

Covers all people.

This is ridiculous! If the prostate covers all people why do all the health warnings given by prostatecanceruk.org specifically say MEN! They haven't amended their information to say "Prostate havers, come and have a check up regular basis". Unlike the invitation to "cervix havers, come and have check up on a regular basis". Only the female of the human species have a cervix, womb and uterus but the trans rights activists have insisted that the word WOMAN be eradicated from any public health warnings and literature. Really trisher have a word with yourself!

Men.
It helps produce semen.

Check out who has a prostate prostatecanceruk.org/prostate-information/about-prostate-cancer
Covers all people.

Just confirms what we've said all along doesn't it Doodledog; it's WOMEN who are, yet again, being told to adjust, make room, change your attitude, change your language, accept what men tell you to accept. Whilst we men carry on precisely as we've always done. Boils my p*

A TV 'ad' for prostate cancer checks has just been on, and it was all about men. The voiceover was 'What a piece of work is a man?' from Hamlet.

It is unequivocally male, from start to finish. No 'people with prostates' for them. Oh no. There they are, noble in reason and infinite in faculty - from the newborn at the start to the old man at the end - males to a man. Men are not being eradicated, or conflated into some sort of 'non-woman' category. Perish the thought.

And health warnings about prostate cancer often use "People with a prostate'

And now you're just being silly and really haven't taken the time to check this out have you! ??

From prostatecanceruk.org

MEN, we are with you

Find the 14,000 MEN

Together, we've taken MEN’S health in the UK by the scruff of the neck

So now trisher just explain to me why the word MEN remains on public health campaigns, even though trans men don't have a prostate but, according to you, they are actually still men.

trisher

But if as you believ (or some of you do anyway) transmen are really women what you are in fact saying is the views of some women must be disegarded because they don't happen to comply with your beliefs. That's very dangerous ground to go down. Because if one lot of women are disregarded then another lot can be. And before anyone tries to jump on that you are perfectly within your rights to refer to yourself in any way you wish, to call products or any other service what you wish you don't have the right to insist others are ignored.
Condoms are actually designated as male condoms- for use on a penis and female condoms- for use in a vagina. So actually they are described as for a penis
And health warnings about prostate cancer often use "People with a prostate'

This is yet another non sequitur.

The fact that transmen are biologically women, and they can ever change sex, does not mean that anyone's views should be disregarded, nor that any such disregard should come about because they don't happen to comply with my beliefs.

It means that they are biologically female. That's it. No need to worry about dangerous ground, as there isn't any, and no need to be concerned about threats to the rights of others, as nobody's rights were threatened in the first place.

As for 'people with a prostate', IMO that is as bad as 'people with a cervix'. Both are an attempt to muddle thinking by misappropriating the language and pretending that men and women no longer exist as separate entities.

Did I misread it or did you say you were leaving trisher?
How am I supposed to know which of your posts are true, which of them are TTP which you like to say and which of them are simply a rebuttal of facts presented by other posters with which you disagree as you are entitled to do even when you are wrong?

trisher I found these as top google results from prostate cancer search. Seems they use the word men quite a lot. No sign of people with a prostate.

From Prostate Cancer Research, the first and largest organisation.

Help us deliver breakthrough medicines and treatments for men with advanced prostate cancer.
Support Us

www.thefocaltherapyclinic.co.uk/?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Generic_Prostate_Cancer_Campaign&gclid=CjwKCAiAg6yRBhBNEiwAeVyL0FhJ2IKQvfYctZ5O0OalUP_cDa8fgk5ojVsJ3wGfLaUkbNSw1PmXOhoCzkwQAvD_BwE

blythehousehospice.org.uk/mikes-story-prostate-cancer-awareness-month/?gclid=CjwKCAiAg6yRBhBNEiwAeVyL0AbfOTp5jkuvxCA7k9KRQTUbYlNlG_WyvRuquXw5DE2lPPtO5S6SYxoCZXkQAvD_BwE

moffitt.org/cancers/prostate-cancer/faqs/what-are-the-five-warning-signs-of-prostate-cancer/

no doubt you won't respond, but it's clear to all that the language censorship is all one way. And as Doodledog says,
I couldn't care less who is making the demands to eradicate women from the language - it is the fact that it is happening with the complicity of anti-feminists and the cowardice of politicians that infuriates me.

I've not seen any views on Gransnet (or elsewhere) from transmen, so I am unaware of whether their views are disregarded. They seem to keep a low profile, perhaps that is due to their female origins.

But if as you believ (or some of you do anyway) transmen are really women what you are in fact saying is the views of some women must be disegarded because they don't happen to comply with your beliefs. That's very dangerous ground to go down. Because if one lot of women are disregarded then another lot can be. And before anyone tries to jump on that you are perfectly within your rights to refer to yourself in any way you wish, to call products or any other service what you wish you don't have the right to insist others are ignored.
Condoms are actually designated as male condoms- for use on a penis and female condoms- for use in a vagina. So actually they are described as for a penis
And health warnings about prostate cancer often use "People with a prostate'

It’s like Ground hog day. I’m so thankful to have posters like Rosie, chewbacca and Doodledog to keep posting ???

trisher

Chewbacca thinking about the products you mentioned and things like "birth person" etc aren't many of those demands being made by transmen? Because although they may continue to use the product they no longer identify as women. So actually many of them have absolutely nothing to do with natal men or transwomen.

I couldn't care less who is making the demands to eradicate women from the language - it is the fact that it is happening with the complicity of anti-feminists and the cowardice of politicians that infuriates me.

The squirming and doublespeak that is displayed when these people are asked the simple question 'What is a woman?' is unbelievable. If we had been told even five years ago that such a question would be impossible to answer without fear of cancellation or threats of rape and death, who would have believed it?

There seem to me to be more women's products available in my local chemists than ever before. But I'll check it out next time I'm in.

Please do. And be sure to check if condoms are advertised for "people with penises" or public health warnings for "people with a prostate" or "people with testes". Unlikely you'll find the word MEN erased from anywhere.

* trisher are you really going or just TTP?
Just as an aside and before I go. Surgeons have performed uterus transplants on women born without one and they have given birth. So if eventually transwomen will be able to have uterus transplants will you then accept them?
As transwomen, yes same as I do now.