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grannydarkhair Tue 08-Mar-22 20:51:16

Today is International Women’s Day. So who do you think the Vagina Museum (the world’s first bricks and mortar museum dedicated to the gynaecological anatomy) chose to celebrate? Trans women. And instantly closed their Twitter feed to comments. I wonder why?

Iam64 Thu 10-Mar-22 15:12:36

Doodle dog, the archetypes and 7 basic story lines is endlessly fascinating. When our children were teenagers we did eurocamp with a group of fruends. Happy days, they’d be off feeling free but very safe on the well run sites. The adults would sit round drinking wine and talking. We had tw

Chewbacca Thu 10-Mar-22 15:04:57

According to that my mum became a transwoman in 1948

So long as she was happy that's all that matters surely?

Doodledog Thu 10-Mar-22 15:03:03

Was she born with one? I assume so, as she had you, which is something your father couldn't have done.

Picking on people for making a slip, which is all that was, is petty.

trisher Thu 10-Mar-22 14:58:47

Chewbacca

Her gender/sex, with or without womb, would depend entirely on her gametes trisher. I'm surprised that you didn't know that.

I wasn't the one who posted Women have wombs.
Transwomen do not! No offense, but fact!
According to that my mum became a transwoman in 1948

Doodledog Thu 10-Mar-22 14:55:48

Iam64

And - there are only seven main stories/archetypes

At the risk of continuing to divert the thread from its topic, here is a list of the chapters of Booker's book, which show how many literary works have the same basic plots in common

I did say it was a thick book grin.

Iam64 Thu 10-Mar-22 14:46:44

And - there are only seven main stories/archetypes

Callistemon21 Thu 10-Mar-22 14:44:59

Witches are popular subjects for books.

Iam64 Thu 10-Mar-22 14:41:51

I read that article this morning chewbacca. Thanks for posting it
WTF is happening
We also had Annelise Dodds unable to tell Emma Barnett what a woman is, on woman’s hour, on international women’s day. It depends on the context - evidently

Callistemon21 Thu 10-Mar-22 14:41:04

trisher

I think you're muddying the issue with mention of Harry Potter, The Worst Witch and plagiarism.

I've noticed several instances of plagiarism and perhaps it deserves a separate thread

Apart from the fact that a male took on the original female role of witch on a broomstick, I can't see that it is relevant.

Callistemon21 Thu 10-Mar-22 14:37:05

I could respond but it would be deleted.

Chewbacca Thu 10-Mar-22 14:29:27

Could someone please remind me why it's unacceptable to state a biological fact?

A Tory police and crime commissioner has been reprimanded for sharing a JK Rowling tweet in support of women’s rights.

A male-dominated panel of councillors found Lisa Townsend had not been ‘dignified or respectful’ to trans people when she supported the best-selling author’s view that biologically male rapists were not female.

They said the Surrey PCC had broken the code of conduct for her office and demanded she explain herself to the three men who had reported her over the tweet – one of whom is local Conservative MP Crispin Blunt.

Mrs Townsend, who has received anonymous death threats, said last night: ‘These three men who complained, and a panel full of men who investigated it, have decided they must police a woman’s language about an issue of great concern to many women."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10595897/Tory-police-chief-reprimanded-sharing-JK-Rowling-trans-tweet-three-men-complained.html

Mollygo Thu 10-Mar-22 14:09:29

Chewbacca, Callistemon21, Doodledog, ❤️

Yes, casting doubt on professional ability and picking holes in their account of lived experience is below the belt, isn't it? It does suggest that the detractors have run out of cogent arguments.
Let’s not beat about the bush! It doesn’t just suggest . . . It demonstrates clearly.

Chewbacca Thu 10-Mar-22 14:08:38

Her gender/sex, with or without womb, would depend entirely on her gametes trisher. I'm surprised that you didn't know that.

trisher Thu 10-Mar-22 14:05:32

Doodledog

*This leads me to believe that JKR is hitting all the right nerves, in all the right places. When her detractors have nothing left to assault her with, they turn to her professional successes. I pity them.*

Yes, casting doubt on professional ability and picking holes in their account of lived experience is below the belt, isn't it? It does suggest that the detractors have run out of cogent arguments.

I've been picking holes in JKR since Harry Potter was first published her stance on trans issues has absolutely nothing to do with my criticism of her. Though it is interesting that apparently no one is now permitted to say anything negative about her.

trisher Thu 10-Mar-22 13:59:12

Copper3

Women have wombs.
Transwomen do not! No offense, but fact!

A friend of mine had hers removed at 29 because of cervical cancer. My mother had hers removed at 26 are you suggesting once they hadn't a womb they were no longer women?

Doodledog Thu 10-Mar-22 13:56:03

This leads me to believe that JKR is hitting all the right nerves, in all the right places. When her detractors have nothing left to assault her with, they turn to her professional successes. I pity them.

Yes, casting doubt on professional ability and picking holes in their account of lived experience is below the belt, isn't it? It does suggest that the detractors have run out of cogent arguments.

Callistemon21 Thu 10-Mar-22 13:43:12

This leads me to believe that JKR is hitting all the right nerves, in all the right places. When her detractors have nothing left to assault her with, they turn to her professional successes. I pity them

The worrying thing is that her detractors are never, ever wrong and completely unable to even consider that someone else's point of view might be valid or have some merit.

Such intransigent extremism is quite frightening in its intensity and malevolence.

Chewbacca Thu 10-Mar-22 13:31:30

Literary criticism of JKR's writing is totally irrelevant to her opinions on transwomen.

But it's interesting to see it unfolding; young, impoverished, abused woman writes several best selling novels and becomes a national literary hero and is recognised for her generous donations to humanitarian causes. She makes one initial statement pointing out the biological fact that humans cannot change sex. BOOM! She's an arch enemy of the transgender community, she's transphobic, she deserves to die along with her family, she, and all she stands for should be cancelled. And the latest insult..... She's a crap author anyway and is guilty of plagiarism of other writers.

This leads me to believe that JKR is hitting all the right nerves, in all the right places. When her detractors have nothing left to assault her with, they turn to her professional successes. I pity them

Callistemon21 Thu 10-Mar-22 13:06:42

Literary criticism of JKR's writing is totally irrelevant to her opinions on transwomen.
The criticism is ironic!

Callistemon21 Thu 10-Mar-22 13:05:26

Iam64

Hermoine, how would Ron and Harry manage without her

Hermione saves the day!!

Elegran Thu 10-Mar-22 13:03:31

Why disbelieve JKR about her struggles? I think I may have bought a used knitting machine from her at about the time when she says she was writing in a cafe because it was cheaper than heating her home.

The woman I bought it from certainly resembled later photos of her. She lived in a crummy rented basement flat with her young daughter. In the middle of the living-room was a chunky vertical beam, holding up the ceiling, which was scorched from a fire in the flat above. An elderly woman had lived there. I have a feeling that the knitting machine had been salvaged from the fire and given to the seller by that elderly woman - it hadn't been used for a long time, and she didn't appear to be very familiar with it, but was selling it to get some cash.

If this woman later claimed to be have been raising a child in very straitened financial circumstances, I would believe her. Sitting in a relative's cafe nursing a cooling cup of coffee to save on heating (and lighting) costs would have been a good move. Literary criticism of JKR's writing is totally irrelevant to her opinions on transwomen.

Copper3 Thu 10-Mar-22 13:02:28

Women have wombs.
Transwomen do not! No offense, but fact!

Galaxy Thu 10-Mar-22 12:59:24

And that is in in my view partly why JKR gets such abuse, same with Rosie Duffield, they see it as weakness and pounce. More fool them.

Iam64 Thu 10-Mar-22 12:58:50

Hermoine, how would Ron and Harry manage without her

Callistemon21 Thu 10-Mar-22 12:57:35

But she still pinched The Worst Witch and made more than Jill Murphy ever did. The fact that Murphy died last year probably brought it home again. I 'd started just to ignore JK but that brought it back.
If it was clear plagiarism then Jill Murphy should have sued.

How ironic, though, that you say JK Rowling pinched a lot of stuff from The Worst Witch which was about a GIRL witch and made it all about a BOY witch and you dislike the fact that girls' safe spaces, sorry broomsticks, were taken over by boys.

However, Jill Murphy's books were all female but at least JKR included Hermione!