Beautiful memorial service for Prince Philip

The cost, secrecy and dishonesty of the royals

I think she did the right thing getting Andrew to walk with her. It's almost like she was saying" I've given over 70 years of my life to the UK, now I'm giving myself to my favourite son, so sod off!" Good for her, and she believes in her son, as a Mother should.

The silence of politicians on all the recent royal scandals is shocking. Our head of state and our parliament seem to exist in complete separate parallel worlds which only collide when heaping praise or conducting archaic ceremonies.

I agree with you totally volver. No argument from me about anything in your post. As I said, I don’t defend him in any way.

maddyone

^Posters have said he was only guilty by public opinion.^

If that’s a comment about what I said I will repeat just to make it perfectly clear. I pointed out that Andrew has not been found guilty of anything because it has not been tested in court……unfortunately. That comment does not imply Andrew’s innocence or my approval, it merely states a fact. The payment of a massive settlement does imply guilt, in my opinion, but without a court case it is speculation, not proven fact. There are quite a few posters on Gransnet who speak about Andrew as if he has been found guilty. He has not. I’m sorry if facts get in the way for some, but it is a fact.
I do not approve of Andrew’s alleged behaviour, nor do I defend him in any way. I state a fact.

Its absolutely true that Andrew has not been found guilty of anything in a court.

However he consorted with people traffickers, took their hospitality and paid $12 million to prevent the court case where he would have had to defend himself.

Any comments from anybody here about the fact that he had to delete an Instagram post where he was using the HRH title, which he's not allowed to use? Just an error, was it?

Agree maddyone

Posters have said he was only guilty by public opinion.

If that’s a comment about what I said I will repeat just to make it perfectly clear. I pointed out that Andrew has not been found guilty of anything because it has not been tested in court……unfortunately. That comment does not imply Andrew’s innocence or my approval, it merely states a fact. The payment of a massive settlement does imply guilt, in my opinion, but without a court case it is speculation, not proven fact. There are quite a few posters on Gransnet who speak about Andrew as if he has been found guilty. He has not. I’m sorry if facts get in the way for some, but it is a fact.
I do not approve of Andrew’s alleged behaviour, nor do I defend him in any way. I state a fact.

When I’m bored I will be sure to make it a priority.

Bridgeit

Of course the flip side of this , is IF they can do the job , and appear to be the most suitable candidate,should they be penalised Because of their connections ?

No, of course they shouldn't be penalised.

Please be sure to tell us if and when you see that happening.

Bridgeit

Of course the flip side of this , is IF they can do the job , and appear to be the most suitable candidate,should they be penalised Because of their connections ?

Seems like it.

Of course the flip side of this , is IF they can do the job , and appear to be the most suitable candidate,should they be penalised Because of their connections ?

I was the poster who initially picked up the poster who mocked Beatrice’s tears and indeed I got a bit of backchat from the poster. That poster who mocked Beatrice appears to have left the thread. It was nothing to do with volver or indeed anyone else. I wasn’t going to name the poster but I think someone else has. I’m pleased that she now appears to have left the thread because the comment was unkind, in fact nasty.
As for nepotism, it seems to be alive and well in the royal family and in other families. There are so many people who get where they are because of who they are, not what they can do. It was ever thus…….unfortunately.

eazybee

Yes it is spiteful when previous posts ostensibly concern the attendance of grandchildren at the memorial service for their grandfather.
The suitability or otherwise of a specific grandchild for a means of employment are completely irrelevant in this context, simply added in an attempt to demean that person.

I'm not trying to demean anybody. Somebody asked why anybody would dislike the York girls. Well I don't dislike them because I've never met them, but I'm entitled to raise concerns about how someone might get a job for which they appear to have no qualifications. If we are talking about the Royal family, and she's a member, well she's going to have to take the rough with the smooth. You want the palaces, you take the questions about how you get jobs that you are apparently unsuited for.

Actually, I suspect that VP of Strategic Partnerships involves schmoozing people and companies in order to get them to enter into collaborations with the people who paid her wages, so she could well be eminently suited to it.

Look! Every part of the UK has folk in the spotlight. The RF are fair game because they’re never going to answer back.
Nicola ‘look how wonderful I am’ Sturgeon sets some people’s teeth on edge both in Scotland and England-can’t speak for NI and Wales. I’ve got a bet on with DH about who’ll be the first to defend NS.
Different posters jump to the defence of either of those whilst others do a ‘let’s see what I can find next’ for their particular target , and preparing the next salvo of “How much worse” their opponents particular target is, on account of how offensive their money, their clothes, their politics etc are to ‘normal’ people.
It’s quite relaxing to find it goes on even when I’m relaxing in the sun, waiting for my drink to cool.

Lucca

volver

It wasn't my comment about why she cried.

It was someone else...

In fact on another thread a few days ago I said how sorry I was to see her so upset.

I’m so sorry Volver. Brain a bit iffy at the moment.

No worries Lucca

Silly question Lucca you know I post on royals threads,

I ignore the posts of the small number who in my opinion treat
the threads as a game

Lucca

volver

It wasn't my comment about why she cried.

It was someone else...

In fact on another thread a few days ago I said how sorry I was to see her so upset.

I’m so sorry Volver. Brain a bit iffy at the moment.

I checked sorry it was WWM2,

Anniebach

*Lucca*. I have a different opinion on the Andrew affair than others so will not comment,

It’s true that people are given jobs because of a parent or family.

One doesn’t have to be a royalist to be shocked at mocking that
woman’s grief.

I think these threads on the royals are a game for a small number who post, I ignore these

You ignore threads on the royals ???

volver

It wasn't my comment about why she cried.

It was someone else...

In fact on another thread a few days ago I said how sorry I was to see her so upset.

I’m so sorry Volver. Brain a bit iffy at the moment.

Oh no Volver, did you say something about liking baggy clothes or white trainers and floral dresses ? So nasty of you….

Bingo.

Gilly3

The funny hat was 11 years ago actually not 12.
The point was Beatrice graciously turned the criticism into something good and didn't throw her toys out of the pram.

Exactly.
She rose above it instead of acting like a victim.

Lucca. I have a different opinion on the Andrew affair than others so will not comment,

It’s true that people are given jobs because of a parent or family.

One doesn’t have to be a royalist to be shocked at mocking that
woman’s grief.

I think these threads on the royals are a game for a small number who post, I ignore these

Yes it is spiteful when previous posts ostensibly concern the attendance of grandchildren at the memorial service for their grandfather.
The suitability or otherwise of a specific grandchild for a means of employment are completely irrelevant in this context, simply added in an attempt to demean that person.

It wasn't my comment about why she cried.

It was someone else...

In fact on another thread a few days ago I said how sorry I was to see her so upset.

Yes. Posters have said he was only guilty by public opinion.

I think perhaps volver’s comment has had enough criticism by now ! Maybe it was a tad below the belt

however the job thing I do agree with