Beautiful memorial service for Prince Philip

? Anniebach!

grany you must spend hours every day reading about the royal family, don’t you get bored ?

The Prince of Wales was crowned the hardest working Royal back in 2019 - after completing 521 engagements.

This is the equivalent of 'working' 74 and a half days - a measly fraction of the average full-time worker, who puts in more than 240 days a year

And that would be fine if Charles was on a pro-rata salary and just looking for a little bit of cash to fund his gardening projects. But no, the Royal has a personal income of more than £20 million - meaning he gets to shake people's hands and poses for photos for an eye-watering £38,000 an hour.

We need to get rid of the idea that any of the royals are hard-working. It's an insult to teachers, to NHS workers, to those scraping by on minimum wage while the monarchy's only job is to protect itself.

When you sop seeing your opponents as human beings first and foremost, it's dangerous territory

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I find it odd, too that posters who tease constantly take such comments from others so seriously!

Callistemon21

^and neither do I want a Revolution - of any kind. Just a natural - organic - move away from Monarchy which I believe is outdated^

Me neither but of some posts not long ago I remember some which were quite sickening.

I hope by George's time things may change, gradually and not either violently or by an embarrassing rejection after all HM has done in devoting her life to the position she inherited.

We are, I hope, more civilised now.

There are always those in any movement who are up for the 'extreme' process.

And I personally really dislike being judged by the actions of such extremists. Those who use words like "scum" to describe their opponents and admit they're not averse to a bit of violence to get what they want frankly give me the shivers.

Republicans, like Labour party supporters / Tory party supporters / Feminists... you name it, are not a homogenous group.

I don't hate any member of the RF, though some have a public persona that I don't like, but that's not the same thing. I wish ill on none of them, and certainly don't want to see them ousted in any kind of bloody revolution. When you sop seeing your opponents as human beings first and foremost, it's dangerous territory.

Would be a good role for Attenborough!

It would, but he's the same age as the Queen!

I think we're looking 15 - 25 years ahead.
If David Attenborough is still up for the job I'll vote for him
If I'm still around, of course ?

If we became a Republic it would be possible to choose what power,if any, we gave to a ' president'. It could just be titular , non political role to replicate the role of a monarch..presiding over state visits, national events etc.. Would be a good role for Attenborough! I have seen a suggestion that a selection process could include Joe & Jo Public

and neither do I want a Revolution - of any kind. Just a natural - organic - move away from Monarchy which I believe is outdated

Me neither but of some posts not long ago I remember some which were quite sickening.

I hope by George's time things may change, gradually and not either violently or by an embarrassing rejection after all HM has done in devoting her life to the position she inherited.

We are, I hope, more civilised now.

Sensible post PECS

They are people doing a job, after all.
Unfortunately for them, not one most can resign from.

I'm also a Republican. And I have a soft spot for the Queen, I think she's done her job - which must be tedious at times - well, she's stoic and dedicated and, as I've said previously, when she goes, we will not see her like again.

... and neither do I want a Revolution - of any kind. Just a natural - organic - move away from Monarchy which I believe is outdated.

volver

But you are choosing an autocratic regime and telling us that's what we could end up with if we had a republic. There's a long list of countries that are republics and are not waging war on their neighbours.

So you are suggesting that people who want a republic are as bad as warmongering autocrats. It's offensive.

Oh, I'm still learning from all the newcomers!!!

I have always declared that I wish no harm to members of the RF.
It is the the system I do not like.

I don't know members of RF to like or dislike them. Media reports about their individual poor/ good behaviour& choices gives a superficial idea of their personalities. In my professional capacity I did meet Princess Ann at an award do at Buck House. She was extremely good at her job. That in itself does not make her a wonderful or dreadful person.
Like any celebs some people will like them and defend them regardless , equally those less enamoured will see the "faults" .

But you are choosing an autocratic regime and telling us that's what we could end up with if we had a republic. There's a long list of countries that are republics and are not waging war on their neighbours.

So you are suggesting that people who want a republic are as bad as warmongering autocrats. It's offensive.

volver

But you are lumping all republicans together. You are saying that Drakeford couldn't possibly admire the good parts about the DoE because he's a republican, so that's it. No discussion.

And now you're trying to say some republicans should go to Russia. Its really offensive, you know?

I was just saying "Be careful what you wish for".

If we look at the history of Russia has it been better since 1917 or not?
The evidence is there.

If you think that is offensive I'm sorry.

Thats possible but its not a general viewpoint on here. I am a republican I have never called for a revolution. Too much effort to be honest. Not only that I would be absolutely furious if the political party I support started suggesting the abolition of the monarchy. Mostly because it would mean defeat in the next election.

volver

But you are lumping all republicans together. You are saying that Drakeford couldn't possibly admire the good parts about the DoE because he's a republican, so that's it. No discussion.

And now you're trying to say some republicans should go to Russia. Its really offensive, you know?

No, it's not because someone was advocating that on here not long ago.

Quite gleefully, in fact.

Galaxy

I think its possible to be a republican and not want to move to Russia. I am not sure I have seen anyone on here calling for a revolution.

You must have missed it!
It wasn't long ago

But you are lumping all republicans together. You are saying that Drakeford couldn't possibly admire the good parts about the DoE because he's a republican, so that's it. No discussion.

And now you're trying to say some republicans should go to Russia. Its really offensive, you know?

I think its possible to be a republican and not want to move to Russia. I am not sure I have seen anyone on here calling for a revolution.

Why does it have to be one or another viewpoint?

Many of us aren't extremists.

But I don't despise them

I do not mean you specifically and yes, I understand your viewpoint.
I am a pragmatic, not fervent, monarchist, liking the continuity and stability, but if they abdicated as family I wouldn't criticise them in the slightest. Who would want that burden?

However, there are republican posters on here and outside of Gransnet whose comments are personal, disparaging and quite vile.
I think some would relish the thought of a French or Russian style revolution.
Would they make their way to Russa just now to enjoy the liberties there?

Callistemon21

That is not the point at all, is it.

I don't suppose it has crossed anybody's mind that Drakeford might have been there to show respect to a person we are told is the best of men?
But he was a member of the Royal Family and so was despised by republicans as is so frequently demonstrated on these threads.

Yes, It was a memorial service to honour a man who did so much during his life to support young people, was a founder of WWF, actively supported many charities and just coincidentally happened to be a member of the royal family which meant he also supported our Head of State and Head of Commonwealth for decades.

But none of that counts to some.

But that's where you are completely wrong Callistemon21.

It seems that people do not understand that is is possible to disapprove of a particular system of government without "despising" individual people. I don't "despise" any member of the RF, although Prince Andrew comes close. I do think that as an institution they rely on tradition and deference to keep themselves in their privileged positions. But I don't despise them. I've got quite a soft spot for Anne.

Perhaps when Monarchists can understand that we don't want a Russian-Revolution style day of reckoning, but a change to the system of government, then we might be able to have a grown up discussion about Republicanism. Until then, you will continue to see us as something we're not, and I can't do anything about that.

The DoE award is a brilliant thing I think (although I do pity the granddaughter of the Gran who posted this morning to say she is doing her gold award in the Beacons at the moment, as it’s terrible weather up on the mountains today)

Oh goodness, after last week's lovely weather too!
We can't pick and choose in this country.
DH has a couple of tales about camping up there during training in thick fog.

Sorry, Casdon, my previous post was addressed to volver, it took me a while to type it.
I haven't got to grips with the two thumbs method!

That is not the point at all, is it.

I don't suppose it has crossed anybody's mind that Drakeford might have been there to show respect to a person we are told is the best of men?
But he was a member of the Royal Family and so was despised by republicans as is so frequently demonstrated on these threads.

Yes, It was a memorial service to honour a man who did so much during his life to support young people, was a founder of WWF, actively supported many charities and just coincidentally happened to be a member of the royal family which meant he also supported our Head of State and Head of Commonwealth for decades.

But none of that counts to some.