Pamper parties for children

MissAdventure

I think it does children a huge disservice to think they're unable to sit at a table and use cutlery these days.
They can actually enjoy it, too.
Imagine that!

I took my son to a restaurant for the first time when he was 4 where we stayed for over an hour.

He used the cutlery ( they gave him smaller versions) and managed to sit at the table. We chatted to him and he was fascinated by all that was going on around him, often staring open-mouthed at the waiters rushing around. Towards the end of the meal he got sleepy and simply nodded-off in his chair.

This was nothing remarkable, it was quite normal to see children in restaurants eating dinner with their parents and not running around (1975).

I think the 'secret' is engagement - treating them as a family member and not just indulging in adult conversation but including them in it.

He doesn't remember the occasion, but he does remember sampling different restaurants as he grew up and his own son chose a meal in an Indian restaurant with his best friend as his birthday dinner treat on his 8th birthday. He's been 'eating out' since age 3... and I don't think this is unusual. Certainly not in other parts of Europe.

I think it does children a huge disservice to think they're unable to sit at a table and use cutlery these days.
They can actually enjoy it, too.
Imagine that!

I would certainly expect a five year old to sit still at a restaurant table for an hour.

How does that equate to pamper parties?

I believe in teaching kids manners

Now, expecting a 5 year old to sit continuously in a restaurant for 1 hour or more - no, I don't

Manners are subjective

Young children and toddlers are supposed to seat and behave during a family meal at restaurant - remain seated, use utensils, aka be seen but not heard.

I really don't think that teaching kids social skills - not to mention 'manners' during mealtimes - is really in the same vein as them being "seen but no heard".

I think the more parents interact with their children - talking to them and listening to them, the more well-behaved they are.

I've seen some appalling behaviour in supermarket 'chain' cafes and restaurants with kids uprooting planters, throwing food on the floor - using the floor as a slide - bumping into staff and other customer's tables. And - nearly always - the parents are chatting to the other adults, or scrolling through their iPhones. I believe some parents now just dump their kids in front of the TV with a plate of food and leave them to it... as opposed to sitting down together for a meal. They are not even treating them as members of the family.

No worries

Some posters want kids to remain kids but ask them to grow up too fast for other things to fulfill adults' expectations- that is the contradiction I see

Apologies. My last post probably sounded abrupt and rude. But I genuinely don't understand what your point is.

You make no sense.

Capable of

Yes, vintage

Separation anxiety in young kids and babies is the parents' fault for being overprotective, not a normal phase of life

Children using diapers after 3 years of age is a red flag for some

Naps for babies are adaptable to adults visits

Young children and toddlers are supposed to seat and behave during a family meal at restaurant - remain seated, use utensils, aka be seen but not heard

So what is it.... let kids be kids (no pamper parties) or ask them to behave in a way they have no capability of yet due to their age?
You cannot have both

Hithere

This thread is a contradiction

Some posters say they want kids to remain kids.

However, some threads are posted about the children's behaviour and the poster's unrealistic expectations for the child for their age

What is it? You want them to be kids or to follow your standards?

Not sure what you're saying? Presumably it's not the same posters in both cases?

This thread is a contradiction

Some posters say they want kids to remain kids.

However, some threads are posted about the children's behaviour and the poster's unrealistic expectations for the child for their age

What is it? You want them to be kids or to follow your standards?

MissAdventure

Maybe have a look at it, and see what a lovely mum she is to her disabled son?
More than one way to be vulgar, I think.

Well....having had a quick look at it, mainly last two pages, she doesn’t seem to be held in that high regard there either.

I admit....I know nothing about her now. I was talking about a few years ago, and the affect she had on this one girl.

I’ll consider myself well and truly reprimanded.

Of course!

MissAdventure

I'm imagining a group of 6 year olds with big black eyebrows and mahogany brown tans now.

I guess they will be in our part of the world then

I'm imagining a group of 6 year olds with big black eyebrows and mahogany brown tans now.

4allweknow

What have these children got to look forward to with pamper parties tanning, false eyelashes and nails at such young ages. What do the boys get, a salon haircut!

Where did the tanning and false eyelashes come from? Nothing about them in OP.

I am ok with the 'low level stuff' - nail polishe, pedicures, sparkly gloss etc mentioned in OP.

MissAdventure

Unfortunately, due to a lot of threads turning into opportunities to judge those seen as "lesser" in some way, it makes people less inclined to enter into a decent discussion about these things.

Agree MissA there seems to be an awful
lot of snobbery and inverted snobbery creeping into threads at the moment.

Has two years in lockdown distorted our view of others and their lives?

I do not recognise your descriptions of 6-8yr olds VintageJazz

The children I know in that age bracket both boys and girls have varied and busy extracurricular lives. Rainbows through to Guides, Beavers through to Scouts, days out at the local beaches with friends and family, picnics in the local parks. My own 7 and under GC play for hours with their toys inside and love being out in the garden getting muddy, planting flowers, fruit and veggies.

Treats in school holidays include London Museums, Zoos etc.

I appreciate that some activities require financial stability, but that applies to pamper parties and all other birthday parties.

What have these children got to look forward to with pamper parties tanning, false eyelashes and nails at such young ages. What do the boys get, a salon haircut!

Unfortunately, due to a lot of threads turning into opportunities to judge those seen as "lesser" in some way, it makes people less inclined to enter into a decent discussion about these things.

I don't think every child who attends a pamper party will turn into a vapid, over made up airhead.

But I do think their increasing popularity is all part of the rushing kids through childhood that seems to happen nowadays.

That six year olds have grown weary of playing with dolls and eight year olds are jaded with the traditional parties and party games that entertained generations of children before them surely says something about our society?

Maybe have a look at it, and see what a lovely mum she is to her disabled son?
More than one way to be vulgar, I think.

Ha ha, I’ve just noticed there’s a whole thread on Katie Price!!