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StarDreamer Thu 26-May-22 15:18:41

Just wondering.

If you are talking with someone and the person is not looking you in the eye, do you tend to infer anything about the person as a result of that, and if so, what, and why please?

MissAdventure Thu 26-May-22 17:55:46

A lot of people aren't diagnosed with autism until later life; assuming they decide to go for a formal diagnosis, that is.

Some say that it then explains some of their behaviours, and validates them in some way.

StarDreamer Thu 26-May-22 17:52:33

welbeck

i don't understand that.
OP do you have autism, is that why you're asking.

I have wondered.

I had always thought of autism as being what is now regarded as just one extreme of the spectrum, so it had never occured to me that I could be, but learning more about autism I began to wonder as some things seemed to fit, as if explaining things that seemed peculiar. But other things did not seem to fit at all, as I do tend to be very empathic and concerned, particularly towards animals and very careful and conscienscious about road safety and courtesy to other drivers when I was driving.

I am aware of the danger of reaching incorrect conclusions by the process of reasoning that is based upon the fallacy of the undistributed middle. Alas, many people do reach conclusions by applying that fallacy but do not realise they are doing it.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 26-May-22 17:45:44

Who is (or should I say 'are') 'us', SD? Do you suffer from nystagmus? If so how does that your ability to smile at someone with whom you're having a conversation, which generally comes naturally in appropriate circumstances? Or are you saying that you have autism? I don't understand.

Callistemon21 Thu 26-May-22 17:41:11

ixion

StarDreamer

Callistemon21

Some people have nystagmus.

It's not good to be judgemental and best not to infer anything at all.

Indeed, but we cannot prevent people infering things about us.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fzn_AKN67oI

Matthew 7:1

Very apt, ixion

Chestnut Thu 26-May-22 17:37:32

Looking direct at a person while they're talking is easier, then sometimes I look away when talking myself because I'm thinking and it's easier to think when you haven't got someone staring at you. Depends who it is of course.

ixion Thu 26-May-22 17:34:56

StarDreamer

Callistemon21

Some people have nystagmus.

It's not good to be judgemental and best not to infer anything at all.

Indeed, but we cannot prevent people infering things about us.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fzn_AKN67oI

Matthew 7:1

Redhead56 Thu 26-May-22 17:30:50

It was the job I was in people never argued with me?

StarDreamer Thu 26-May-22 17:29:11

Callistemon21

Some people have nystagmus.

It's not good to be judgemental and best not to infer anything at all.

Indeed, but we cannot prevent people infering things about us.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fzn_AKN67oI

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 26-May-22 17:28:30

You can usually see something of a person's eyes behind sunglasses unless they are the mirror kind. I hate those, they make me feel very uncomfortable.

welbeck Thu 26-May-22 17:25:22

wow. that sounds rather cheeky.
you would actually ask people to take their sunglasses off to talk to you !?
how did they react ?

Redhead56 Thu 26-May-22 17:21:51

I used to think it was shifty but there are conditions now that were not discussed years ago. I would ask someone to take their sunglasses off when talking to me when I was younger don’t ask me why.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 26-May-22 17:20:56

My father was very tall. He was also partially, and eventually totally, blind. He looked people in the eye, as best he could when he could no longer see them. It is nothing to do with being tall. The fact that you don't look people in the eye and that you think smiling needs to be taught, leads me to conclude that you have autism SD. As I have long suspected.

ixion Thu 26-May-22 17:17:14

Whatever the reason behind these questions of perception, StarDreamer, I should take on board namsnanny's advice at 17.03 in any engagement with a lady you meet.

welbeck Thu 26-May-22 17:15:19

i don't understand that.
OP do you have autism, is that why you're asking.

StarDreamer Thu 26-May-22 17:12:34

I have wondered if a taller person looks taller to a person than the person looks shorter to the taller person.

The reason being that one looks with the eyes at the total height of the person.

So the angle downwards of the view by the taller person is much less than the angle upwards of the view by the shorter person.

Namsnanny Thu 26-May-22 17:10:52

Namsnanny

So long as they (male) dont look and talk to my t*ts I'm generally ok.

But on the other hand maybe I should be grateful at my age....

rafichagran Thu 26-May-22 17:09:25

Agree it is cultural

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 26-May-22 17:05:08

Forgive me if I've missed something, but what did the OU experiment have to do with looking people in the eye?
Needing to smile shouldn't be something one has to be taught.

Namsnanny Thu 26-May-22 17:03:32

So long as they (male) dont look and talk to my t*ts I'm generally ok.

Mine Thu 26-May-22 17:02:08

My daughters friend who is a policewoman said she knows when someone is lying as they look to the left...Now when I'm speaking to someone if they look to the left I want to giggle..grin

Chewbacca Thu 26-May-22 16:58:14

Autism, shyness or lying.

Agreed.

StarDreamer Thu 26-May-22 16:55:32

Thank you all.

The reason I ask now is because someone mentioned eye contact in another thread.

It is something about which I have at times thought, and so, reminded of it now, and being on Gransnet, it seemed an ideal place to ask.

I have never tended to look people in the eye, thinking back I think I would tend to look towards some non-moving view, such as a wall, probably because I was concentrating on the words I was hearing, so no body language cues being received, and even if I had been looking at the person I don't think that I would have picked things up from most body language cues.

Two other factors, I was almost always taller that the other person, and I tend not to smile when talking.

I saw once, basically by chance, an Open University programme about a social interaction experiment. The experimenters employed an actor to be as if he had just arrived in London at Paddington railway station and he asked always using the same words and tone of voice, somebody who happened to be about, the way to Marble Arch.

Sometimes the actor was dressed as a city gent, bowler hat etc, and sometimes as a workman in overalls.

The experiment involved whether the person encountered smiled or not when giving the information.

The subjects were "assessed" (I know, don't send postcards!) as either working class or middle class.

If I remember correctly, which I might not have entirely, it was found that working class subjects provided the information, but never smiled when doing so, middle class subjects always smiled when they thought the asker was middle class, middle class subjects only sometimes smiled when they thought the asker was working class.

The interaction was covertly filmed.

Afterwards the person was approached by experimenters, the experiment explained, and permission to broadcast the recorded film sought. Clearly some had agreed. Whether anybody refused, and if so, whether they were annoyed about it, was not, as best I remember, mentioned.

I think that sometimes I might have been regarded as aloof, arrogant and disinterested, even though none were true, because of these three factors and the expectation of the person with whom I was talking, who was often in a more senior position than me.

So what happens when people from a working class background got on to a "wearing a suit" type job level as a consequence of the 1944 Education Act and the 1963 Robbins Report?

Needing to smile was not taught. Perhaps some picked it up, others never suspected a need?

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 26-May-22 16:53:18

I worked with a chap whose eyes seemed to look in totally different directions, which must have been difficult for him. Nobody judged. I also went to primary school with a girl who had a 'lazy eye'. Being horrid little brats, we weren't nice to her. It didn't help that she had a constant stream of snot flowing from her nose. But that's rather different to someone whose eyes appear perfectly normal but who evades your gaze.

Callistemon21 Thu 26-May-22 16:43:11

Some people have nystagmus.

It's not good to be judgemental and best not to infer anything at all.

buffyfly9 Thu 26-May-22 16:40:18

I have a friend that does this but after many years I have concluded that she likes to see what is going on behind me.... I always let her sit facing the door of any cafe we are in as I know she likes to spot people she may know!! I also agree with GSM, autism is a common reason but dishonest and manipulative people don't look you in the eye either.