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watermeadow Mon 13-Jun-22 19:27:02

My mother wouldn’t allow us to say Toilet because it was American. I have to grit my teeth at Passed for died, schools full of Students from age 4 and a Principal, public loos being Bathrooms, small towns being Cities. Today I heard that chains of our surgeries, owned by American companies to make money, employ assistant Physicians. I suppose we shall soon be visiting the Doctor’s Office or, in the absence of appointments, the Emergency Room at The Hospital. Perhaps as a result of us all carrying guns.
Grrrrr!

imaround Wed 15-Jun-22 02:26:16

VS, I think it is because we rejected colonialism?

Either that or we have not been forgiven for Wallis and Meghan.

grin

CanadianGran Tue 14-Jun-22 23:05:59

I'm glad there have been responses defending language evolution. I had to ignore the thread when I first saw it, for fear of more staunch traditionalists ranting about change.

I do realize this forum is based in the UK, but there are readers and members from all over the world. I love the different variations of the English language, with regionalisms, colloquialism, etc. I am bothered more by bad grammar and punctuation than use of lounge or living room! Although I admit to errors myself...I'm by no means perfect.

VioletSky Tue 14-Jun-22 22:00:34

We enjoy, benefit and take inspiration from other cultures all the time..

Music
Films
Fashion
Food
Language
Celebrations
Science
Medicine,
Technology

Lots of seriously great stuff

Is there something wrong with the US in particular that this keeps coming up as a problem?

Personally I love the evolution of language... It has always been a mishmash.... People het go express themselves so well as indicuduals due to new words joining use all the time.

At what point in history should that have stopped?

Discussing the weather is boring enough and would definitky be worse without several ways to say rain right?

imaround Tue 14-Jun-22 21:35:20

It all depends in the noun used floradora9. Excited for is grammatically correct in some cases.

Though I expect you are referring to people who do not use it in the grammatically correct way.

As with any language, there will we gobs of people who are not so concerned about being grammatically correct.

Floradora9 Tue 14-Jun-22 21:28:22

Why do people say " excited for " now instead of " excited about " .?

MawtheMerrier Tue 14-Jun-22 15:16:21

midgey

I thought youse was Liverpudlian. Interesting piece on World at One about language today.

That was what my post referred to, too.

paddyann54 Tue 14-Jun-22 14:36:34

Fridays child there were lots of old scots words that we were told were SLANG that weren't.there was a whole thread about them on here last week.
Being told constantly that the way you speak is wrong is bad for childen ,language will evolve but old words and phrases will continue with the help of older generations.
As they should ,wiping the language of a whole country to comply with their neighbours wishes is criminal .I,m NOT english so why should I speak it like someone who is?

Fridayschild Tue 14-Jun-22 14:13:23

I thought youse was Scottish but wherever it’s from it is so wrong!
Yous, use or youse. I’ve seen it lots, written different ways, and it always grates! ?
I was always told it was slang. (I lived in the West of Scotland). Some day it might seem normal?! ?

midgey Tue 14-Jun-22 13:50:44

I thought youse was Liverpudlian. Interesting piece on World at One about language today.

MawtheMerrier Tue 14-Jun-22 13:17:16

You think we have problems now?

Fill yer boots!

From today’s DT
Dialect of the future
Words to learn so you’re not a wasteman
“Man” used as a pronoun; for example: “Man don’t care”
“Gyaldem” (group of girls/women)
“Mandem” (group of men)
“Peng” (attractive/good)
“Safe” (expression of approval)
“Creps” (shoes/trainers)
“Lips” (to kiss)
“Wasteman” (a worthless individual)

CaravanSerai Tue 14-Jun-22 11:20:34

Yes, paddyann Pupil, scholar, student have long been used interchangeably.

In civil law pupils were orphaned minors who became wards. In law practice, a trainee barrister undergoing pupillage.

The OED defines student as a person in primary or secondary education; a school pupil - another term that isn’t an Americanism.

paddyann54 Tue 14-Jun-22 10:56:29

Student was always used for school pupils.On the Census from the late 1800's my 5 year old great uncle was listed as a student .

sodapop Tue 14-Jun-22 08:43:49

There are complaints here in France about the number of English words finding their way into daily conversation. Our nearest large shopping centre is called
Family Village - pourquoi ?

CocoPops Tue 14-Jun-22 04:21:44

Some of you guys sure have an issue with Americanisms,
CaravanSerai talks turkey though.
Language is awesome.
It's constantly evolving. That's the way the cookie crumbles. Period.
Y'all have a good day now.

imaround Tue 14-Jun-22 00:44:01

Lots of Irish came through Ellis, so it could be.

We really are a melting pot here.

CaravanSerai Tue 14-Jun-22 00:40:37

Youse sounds Irish. Language is wonderful and well-travelled.

imaround Tue 14-Jun-22 00:36:30

We could default to youse guys. Definitely a hit on the east coast.

CaravanSerai Tue 14-Jun-22 00:30:57

imaround

Southern English will be a hoot for you all.

Y'all means you

All y'all is plural

Wiki has a long page about this. Fascinating to read all the theories about its origins. I like this bit too:

The use of y'all as the dominant second person-plural pronoun is not necessarily universal in the Southern United States. In the dialects of the Ozarks and Great Smoky Mountains, for example, it is more typical to hear you'uns (a contraction of "you ones") used instead. Other forms have also been used increasingly in the South, including the use of you guys.

I like you guys it for its ease and inclusiveness but it has a tendency to irritate some in the UK.

imaround Tue 14-Jun-22 00:30:18

I have heard that South American Spanish is closer to Italian.

Summerlove Tue 14-Jun-22 00:18:18

Hithere

Ask French people what they think about Canadian French

Ask Spaniards what they think of American Spanish

There are snobs everywhere, not matter what language they speak

Iamaround
Lol!

For gods sake don’t ask a Quebecois what they think of ‘Canadian’ French lol I think Canada likely has more dialects than France

Summerlove Tue 14-Jun-22 00:14:25

EVHead

Why grrr? There’s no pure British version of English. Language evolves, and we’ve been adopting words from other cultures/languages forever.

There are even articles which claim that “American” English has actually changed less than British English. Maybe they now have the proper English

Hithere Tue 14-Jun-22 00:13:12

Lol Iamaround - I always chuckled with that

imaround Tue 14-Jun-22 00:11:11

Southern English will be a hoot for you all.

Y'all means you

All y'all is plural

Hithere Tue 14-Jun-22 00:01:43

Ask French people what they think about Canadian French

Ask Spaniards what they think of American Spanish

There are snobs everywhere, not matter what language they speak

Iamaround
Lol!

Marydoll Mon 13-Jun-22 23:31:13

EVHead

Why grrr? There’s no pure British version of English. Language evolves, and we’ve been adopting words from other cultures/languages forever.

I was about to write a similar post!