Are covid jabs useless?

I agree There’s lots of information about the down side of the ‘vaccines’ even from the actual vaccine producers.
When top athletes start dropping from heart attacks & the numbers of stillborn babies rise we need to look more closely at the vaccine agenda.

Without the jabs she might be dead

My son has just been very ill with what looks like Covid but has repeatedly tested negative. His partner and daughter have covid and all of his workmates and partners also have it, Some of them have not been as ill as he has. I also have a friend who has worked as a teacher since the beginning of the pandemic and has repeatedly had covid like illnesses. Again she has always tested negative despite pupils, colleagues and her family having covid and some being less ill. I am hearing of others in similar circumstances and wonder if any other gransnetters have experienced this. I think we still have much to learn about individual immune responses. (By the way all of these people have been vaccinated.)

Kryptonite

Different variants need different jabs? So existing jabs won't work with these new variants? Confused. I always thought if you had a vaccination it would protect you against the thing you've been vaccinated against, like flu, measles, smallpox, rubella, mumps, polio, chickenpox ...

You do realize that they change they influenza vaccine yearly, don’t you?

Tamayra

I agree There’s lots of information about the down side of the ‘vaccines’ even from the actual vaccine producers.
When top athletes start dropping from heart attacks & the numbers of stillborn babies rise we need to look more closely at the vaccine agenda.

Could you please point me to reputable statistics on the number of still births rising?

Facts, please, Tamayra. You can’t just make such sweeping comments as this without posting legitimate facts to back them up. How many top athletes have ‘dropped with heart attacks” as a result of covid vaccination and ditto stillbirths?

My young hairdresser isn’t jabbed. She gets her news from the internet, she said immunisation causing young men to have heart attacks. She added that Shane Wayne’s heart attack was caused by the covid jab, nothing to do with smoking and drinking

Yes, and the internet is far more factual than information given out by legitimate medical professionals, isn’t it? ??‍♀️

Iam64

My young hairdresser isn’t jabbed. She gets her news from the internet, she said immunisation causing young men to have heart attacks. She added that Shane Wayne’s heart attack was caused by the covid jab, nothing to do with smoking and drinking

Lots of young people rely on social media for so called public health information....they listen to SM influences which is why Deborah James had been so successful in spreading her message about bowel cancer .... my own 3 are triple jabbed but many young people are not.... not that we could rely on herd immunity anyway with the variants changing so often....my DD doesn't want my GD vaccinated....I kind of get where she's coming from even tho I'm a health professional....they've both had delta and omicron but a mild dose so been ok....and the concerns re fertility are not going to present for many years....so I respect her decision..... all my family including my 85 year old mum have had covid at least once....we've all had it mild....I'm putting that down to the fact we are all fully vacced

Tamayra

I agree There’s lots of information about the down side of the ‘vaccines’ even from the actual vaccine producers.
When top athletes start dropping from heart attacks & the numbers of stillborn babies rise we need to look more closely at the vaccine agenda.

Which athletes?

Mapleleaf

Yes, and the internet is far more factual than information given out by legitimate medical professionals, isn’t it? ??‍♀️

Exactly so ?

Afraid we seem to have reached the stage where science supported by research and evidence seem to carry no weight any more. People seek out the “truth” that accords with their preformed beliefs. I have given up trying now.

Everyone needs to do their own research The facts are there to be seen

What 'facts' are you referring to? By research do you mean trawling the internet until you find something you agree with? Or asking your hairdresser? I have a very different understanding of what research really means

Aveline

What 'facts' are you referring to? By research do you mean trawling the internet until you find something you agree with? Or asking your hairdresser? I have a very different understanding of what research really means

Totally agree with you Aveline!

I agree wholeheartedly with Aveline and Marydoll. What an inane remark.

I am CEV and have had 4 jabs so far. I caught covid mid March and spent a couple of days in bed.
My GP had given me a two week supply of AB at the start of covid in case I caught it but I propped myself up in bed to try and keep my lungs clear and I didn't need the AB.
Exhaustion and headaches were bad but a neighbour put some paracetamol through the letterbox for us and that helped.
I think I would have been much worse if I hadn't had the jabs.
If you haven't had it yet, make sure you have paracetamol and some easy reading handy.

It is not sufficient to show that two sets of figures move in line with each other (vaccinations/still births) you need also to show what the link is between the two.

When vaccinations were introduced. House prices started rising and have shot up as the vaccination rate has gone up. So does that mean that having the COVID vaccination directly causes house prices to rise?

Actually, a good argument could be made for this. As the economy opened out with the introduction of vaccinations and the end of blackdown, and with the extra savings people generated, the housing market boomed.

OH and I have impeccable sources for my 'facts' www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/bulletins/housepriceindex/april2022 - government statistics.

Mind you whether a vaccination was a necessity to pay more for a house and the non-vaccinated paid less, I am not sure.

Perhaps Tamayrah, could offer us her sage opinion.

Everyone now thinks that their research (hearing lurid stories from friends about their cousin's mother-in-law's window-cleaner's next-door neighbour, and reading how someone in the States dropped dead of a heart attack two days after getting a jab) trumps the research of lots of trained researchers (that is a clue) who study the way vaccinations work and the tiniest workings of the human body, collect thousands of accounts and statistics, form a possible hypothesis from what they have learnt, set up experiments to test that hypothesis, and collect thousands more bits of data from those experiments, and then think very hard about what they have found out, and draw a conclusion. They usually still call that conclusion a "theory" because with proper science more is being discovered about everything whenever someone does all those careful measurements again and collects masses more data.

If you haven't done all the work, you have no right to reach the conclusion.

Some pairs of graphs of completely non-related things.
www.fastcompany.com/3030529/hilarious-graphs-prove-that-correlation-isnt-causation

The graph of "US crude oil imports from Norway" correlates perfectly with "Drivers killed in collision with railway train" Just what are those sneaky Norwegians putting into their crude oil?

Where are all the government health advisers on this?… they seem to have faded into the wallpaper, heard nothing from them for a long time…. To me that doesn’t bode well..

Elegran
If you haven't done all the work, you have no right to reach the conclusion.

I wouldn't go quite this far because no one person can do all the research on every subject across the whole field of knowledge.

What people do need to do is to understand how to assess the results of research, work out what peer-reviewed journals and reports carry credence in any field and be prepared to look for corroborative eveidence.

More than anything a good laymen's understanding of statistics is needed. Nothing beyond the capacity of someone whose maths never went beyond O level or GCSE, but the one thing that throughout the pandemic which has reduced me to nails-scraping-down-a-blackboard state, is most people's complete misunderstanding of the significance of simple concepts of probability or capacity to draw common sense from a range of figures. Mind you this is an ignorance shared by most journalists of the: 'Scientists have shown that your risk of cancer of the second joint on the left little finger doubles if you eat chocolate at breakfast' variety

I don't know at what point that kind of understanding is part of the teaching of maths, Monica but many people get lost at maths at some point. Percentages are another thing that are a mystery for ever to some. Perhaps these concepts should begin earlier, to make children familiar with the theoretical side of numbers. That, of course, would require all teachers to thoroughly understand statistics.

The problem with reducing it to statistics is that they can be manipulated to prove anything. I believe scientific reports rather than what my hairdresser says, but because all the people I know personally, who have been vaccinated, had Covid and recovered, its easy to be convinced that vaccines work. If I had personal knowledge of a vaccinated person getting Covid and dying it might make me question its efficiency.

I am totally on the side of believing that medical science knows best. It seems positive to me that the covid vaccination prevented millions from dying or becoming seriously ill.
That doesn't mean there weren't any. There are always exceptions in every scenario.
I would need some really scientific evidence before I think otherwise.