Rude Grandchildren

You say they are good boys in the main and no 3 & 5 year olds are little angels all the time. Is there anything in particular they do that you consider to be naughty - or any triggers? The word "control" is interesting, how do you attempt to "control" them. My grandsons are just 4 and 13 months and I normally find distraction best, but if I think the situation warrants it an explantion, look and stern voice usually do the trick.

Do not start off with rewards, that is bribery.
When they disobey you, for example by running away, fetch them back, and tell them gently but firmly why they must not do that. If they say Mummy lets us do this say this is Granny's house and here we do not do so and so.
Make clear they understand what they are expected to do, then if they disobey repeat the process and continue until they do realise you mean what you say.
As they appear to lack discipline at home expect a lengthy and exhausting process, to begin with, but focus on one objective at a time eg not running away, and continue until they realise you mean what you say and they begin to co operate.
No rewards because this is expected behaviour, but praise them for being sensible and grown up. Very draining, time-consuming and hard not to lose patience but you are the adults and must be in control, for their own safety.
They will quickly learn when they go to nursery, because teachers expect to be listened to and obeyed, and so must you. Easier for teachers, because although we like the children we do not love them, so can be more emotionally detached.

I say 'my house, my rules' and luckily both my families are happy with this - that plus 'the look' seems to work!

very few children have to ask to leave the table nowadays. we never did and i am quite old, born in the 1950s. it was not an issue, there was no problem. not everyone runs their family like that.
but getting back to OP; it's more an issue with the parents rather than the children, i think.
if you are looking after them, esp in your own house, you are in a strong position to require more input from the parents.
you need to reach a consensus on what/how is to be done. what is reasonable expectations.
if you feel worthless, it is due to your relationship with the children's parents, not the behaviour of the children.
so you have the power to withdraw your labour.
go on strike. if they really need your services, they will have to negotiate. but you need to stand firm.
good luck.

My little grand children are not rude but can be a bit cheeky. They remind me of myself as a child answering back basically just cheeky.
I have always been a nanny who does tell them off unlike their parents and other nanny. It’s just my way I sit down and tell them very firmly ‘no and you must do as you are told’.
I explain they can’t always have their own way. It’s subtle but it does work they do as they are told they call me naughty nanny because I tell them off. I love it they are adorable and melt my heart!
Be stern when you tell them off so they know you mean business and be consistent. It could well be a phase and they will grow out of it.

You are in an awkward position.
Rules need to be set at the begining. As a teacher I was told you can always slacken off but you can never tighten up with disiplin.
Ask their parents what they do and if it is not what you want ask if it is alright for you to implement your rules or you will be thinking twice about helping out.
Then tell GC what behaviour you expect in your house,ask once ,tell once then take toy away and sit them on a step or in a safe corner and set a kitchen timer. Even 3 year olds can understand this.
At meal times they should ask to leave the table and not bring toys to it. You can always relax your rules if you want but you need to set the boundaries now.

Do their parents have any consequences for bad behaviour, if so use those, if not ask the parents what they would like you to do?

If you cannot be in control or it gets too much for you then don't look after them.

Communication is key at that age.

I would set out your expectations at the beginning and give them a reward to work towards.

You could use a jar as an example,with 10 marbles and if they earn 10 marbles they get a treat. With 2, I would make it a joint reward so they work as a team, so one jar between them.

No "shall we do" "please can you"... instead "it is time to tidy up" then use a timer, you could make it a competition to see if they can beat their previous time.

Another good thing is choices, give choices for activities so there is no reason to say no " would you like to do x or y?

Explain why.... don't just tell them you don't like x behaviour, explain why it was a bad choice and what could go wrong if they do x with age appropriate language.

Always talk about choices, "I know you can make good choices" because if you call a child difficult stubborn, naughty etc they will believe that about themselves.

Always use praise, tell them every time they do a good job of anything. Children will often look for attention and using the positive kind will help them look for that rather than the negative kind.

Have a routine so they know what is expected.

Be consistent.

Have sanctions, remove them from an activity if they aren't participating kindly. Make sure the sanction is not attention based.

Above all, model positive behaviour yourself.

Easily said Monica, I have tried several times to discuss this with DD but to no avail whatsoever. She doesn't want to hear it.

This seems to be a common problem these days. We have just returned from our local hardware superstore. I'm presently experiencing very poor mobility and use two crutches to walk, as we were existing the store a couple with a girl around 9 years old were walking to my right, the adults cut straight in front of me with no regard whatsoever but they were a few feet away and that wasn't a problem. However, the girl was being a complete pain in the a**e! She was clowning around, spinning round as she walked, waving her arms about, doing high kicks and almost knocked me off my feet! The parents were oblivious of all this, they were too focussed on their mobiles, I called out but got no apology.......I was bloody furious!
Why do people have children that they do not want to control or cannot control?

Why would this behaviour make you feel worthless? I cannot see any connection.

I too have a Look and a Stern Voice or i would straightforwardly tell my daughter that you do not want the children behaving like this in your house.

Could it be a clash of expectations, Chantilly?

You say you try to control them - maybe their parents have a different approach to child-rearing, and they aren't used to being controlled? Similarly, their parents' ideas about what counts as disrespectful may just be different from yours.

Usually, children learn what they can get away with at Granny's house, and moderate their behaviour accordingly, but at 5 and 3 they are still very young. Of course they expect to behave in the same way as they do at home - it's their normal, and more importantly, it is their parents' normal, which is what matters.

I definitely wouldn't let it make you feel 'worthless' though. Your worth is not tied up with your grandchildren's behaviour - not at all.

We are childminders for a few hours 2 days/per week. They just don't do as they are asked to do , they answer me back in a cheeky manner and just disobey with anything they don't want to do. Looks don't help, I've tried that too. They get away with this sort of behaviour in their own house so expect the same in mine.

Must be hard to deal with.
Have you tried completely ignoring them when they’re playing up? Easier said than done, though, I’m sure.

I have an otherwise lovely Gdd who consistently forgets to say thank you (when given something) - not from any lack of training by dd - her brother nearly always remembers and she’s so frequently reminded.

I thought last time that in future I will say nothing, but just take whatever it is away (it was the requested breakfast pancakes!) and see whether that works.

Do they live with you? Or is it when they visit?

I don’t think it’s my role to try and control my Grandchildren . I have inherited my Mums Teacher “look” . If things seem to be getting out of hand I find distraction better than threats , bribes work too ?

Please can you give some examples of the behaviour that is bothering you