ABC Pride book from Dorling Kindersley, for young children

Oh a fish wife joke. You see some might think that was kind whereas others would just think it was sexism.

Galaxy

The thing I wish about books aimed at children is that they would think more carefully about the 'be kind' phrase it's so meaningless and usually aimed at girls more than boys. Everyone has a different concept of kindness, some of the kindest things that have been done to me were absolutely awful to experience.

I really hope it isn't aimed more at girls Galaxy Kindness is a concept that boys need to learn. I think it is used as a more positive way of addressing aggression. just saying Don't push or don't hit is seen as being negative.

My best friend told me some very strong home truths about my behaviour years ago. It was incredibly kind and brave but didnt feel that way at the time. Many people would have thought it kinder to say nothing. We all have a different view of kindness.

Oh don't even go there, Glorianny! That is a whole other kettle of fish (wives).

Wow the support for other women on these threads always overwhelms me.
It is of course support for women in the abstract. Real women can be subjected to all sorts of treatment. It demonstrates the prejudice at the heart of some. Such antagonism! And you claim to be feminists.

Kind hands, kind feet kind words?

Could you give an example of what you meant Galaxy by kind things being awful?

I am in early years and am sure I use it as well but it has always got on my nerves

I think 'kind' is a buzz word used in early years at the moment. My DGS is asked to have 'kind hands' at school.

The thing I wish about books aimed at children is that they would think more carefully about the 'be kind' phrase it's so meaningless and usually aimed at girls more than boys. Everyone has a different concept of kindness, some of the kindest things that have been done to me were absolutely awful to experience.

Mollygo

GJ
To the safe guarding lead in school. It is a requirement that teachers never tell students that they can talk to them in confidence. And that teachers refer upwards anything of concern. Concern can cover a very wide range of topics.
That’s exactly the sort of answer I would have expected from anyone involved in teaching-hence I didn’t understand VS’s reluctance to answer and request to only answer via pm.

Because, if you were really interested I would have explained all of it

But I was feeling very overwhelmed by a lot of comments to me and wasn't entirely sure what people wanted

lixy

Violetsky you really get this - I would have liked to have worked alongside you in school.

Make sure you have a good holiday to recharge properly before the next year begins, Burn out is no fun at all.

I worked in an Infant school where we used Makaton throughout the school as part of our inclusive practise. My G'son learned some signs at his nursery before he could speak. It is a great way of supporting children.

The DK book will be in many school libraries I'm sure as part of their commitment to inclusion. It will help some children and be completely outside the experience of many. I'm glad it exists to help the ones who find it relevant to their own lives, and hope it will sow seeds of tolerance in others too.

Thank you

I trained later in life. It's challenging and sometimes sad and very rewarding isn't it

GJ
To the safe guarding lead in school. It is a requirement that teachers never tell students that they can talk to them in confidence. And that teachers refer upwards anything of concern. Concern can cover a very wide range of topics.
That’s exactly the sort of answer I would have expected from anyone involved in teaching-hence I didn’t understand VS’s reluctance to answer and request to only answer via pm.

Nothing? You must live a sheltered life

Sorry - It's true that can't get used to you as Glorianny, but it was a genuine mistake.

Nothing quite so rude as consistently getting a name wrong.

No progress is ever made when threads are misdirected by the gender critical Doodledog.

Good post lixy the importance of Makaton is often underestimated.

I met children who would have benefited from this book. Their predelictions were obvious from an early age, having a book which was relevant to them could only have helped.

Gaga, again, I haven't seen rudeness or demandingness (?) on this thread.

Actually, that's not strictly true - Glorianna has been rude to several posters. I think she's the only one, though.

Glorianny

Doodledog

GagaJo

It's the modus operandi Glorianny. The usual GC routine designed to shut down discussion of a topic.

I work in education, but not with children, so no, I don't know the role of TAs. They didn't exist when my children were at school.

If telling people to educate themselves, ignoring rather than answering questions and 'advising' people not to engage in discussion isn't shutting down a topic I don't know what is.

Are you Mollygo's mouth piece Doodledog?
The subject isn't the referral process it's an ABC book

No, of course I'm not. But you didn't mention Molly until now - it was all about 'the gender critical', wasn't it? a bit like 'some people' as was.

If you must generalise, you have to expect confusion.

Gaga, again, I haven't seen rudeness or demandingness (?) on this thread. Maybe we are at cross purposes, but my idea of a debate is that both sides ask and answer questions. You do it yourself, and you have most certainly demanded answers from others (which I see as fine unless they are SHOUTING).

Debate can't move on unless people answer. Nobody is obliged to answer, but don't you think it is rude to ignore a direct question? If people don't do so threads will become a series of disconnected posts. I realise that reaching an understanding may be a long shot, but it will never happen if people ignore questions. When this has not happened (which has been the case on threads in the past) much more progress is made.

Violetsky you really get this - I would have liked to have worked alongside you in school.

Make sure you have a good holiday to recharge properly before the next year begins, Burn out is no fun at all.

I worked in an Infant school where we used Makaton throughout the school as part of our inclusive practise. My G'son learned some signs at his nursery before he could speak. It is a great way of supporting children.

The DK book will be in many school libraries I'm sure as part of their commitment to inclusion. It will help some children and be completely outside the experience of many. I'm glad it exists to help the ones who find it relevant to their own lives, and hope it will sow seeds of tolerance in others too.

I think the conversation has moved on to listening to children Glorianny and respecting their individual views.

Galaxy

And obviously teenagers within schools who expressed gender critical views would also be treated with respect and listened to. Hopefully they wouldnt be called childish.

Would they be reading an ABC?

And obviously teenagers within schools who expressed gender critical views would also be treated with respect and listened to. Hopefully they wouldnt be called childish.

Doodledog

GagaJo

It's the modus operandi Glorianny. The usual GC routine designed to shut down discussion of a topic.

I work in education, but not with children, so no, I don't know the role of TAs. They didn't exist when my children were at school.

If telling people to educate themselves, ignoring rather than answering questions and 'advising' people not to engage in discussion isn't shutting down a topic I don't know what is.

Are you Mollygo's mouth piece Doodledog?
The subject isn't the referral process it's an ABC book

But many of us (including me) don't want to discuss with members that are rude or demanding DD.

No one is under any obligation to answer a question if they don't wish to. This isn't an inquisition, it's an online forum for pleasant chat or talk.

GagaJo

It's the modus operandi Glorianny. The usual GC routine designed to shut down discussion of a topic.

Of course. It's unbelievably childish. So sad that they rely on such tactics.

GagaJo

It's the modus operandi Glorianny. The usual GC routine designed to shut down discussion of a topic.

I work in education, but not with children, so no, I don't know the role of TAs. They didn't exist when my children were at school.

If telling people to educate themselves, ignoring rather than answering questions and 'advising' people not to engage in discussion isn't shutting down a topic I don't know what is.