Jeremy Corbyn

Would I join a party started by Jeremy Corbyn?
No.

However, I wouldn’t join any political party at all!

Lathyrus wrote:
"I respect Jeremy Corbyn as a man of principle in much the same way that I respected the late Tony Benn. But I have never considered him leadership material."

It's a matter of history that neither did Labour. My contention is that public mood has changed and many more people want moral leadership. Also Corbyn has shown, by his opinion on how to get peace , that he is pragmatic and not jingoist or opportunist.

But Caleo I am not sure how proportional representation would help when every party supported a policy you approved of. PP or no PP, at the end of the day you vote for one party not which of a range of policies you like in each party.

I am also not sure on what basis you think PR would disadvantage the Conservatives. More people vote Conservative than for other parties and few of those will put Labour down as a second choice and vice versa with Labour. We would probably end up with a Lib Dem government.

MOnica wrote: "But only approximately." (left or right)

That is why it's a pity proportional representation was not voted for.

He can do what he likes so long as he keeps well away from the Labour Party. He handed Johnson a huge mandate while destroying any chance that Labour could provide a credible opposition.

But only approximately.

MOnica, I do favour some single causes such as Palestinian rights. However single causes tend to clump together as approximately Left or approximately Right.

I had a talk with my savvy son about this especially in view of Witzend's point.

He said already there is a selection of further left parties, none of which have a chance. So , in the absence of proportional representation , better to vote regular Labour, or Green as Green has half a chance.

Also that is why the Conservatives hate PR as that would reduce their supporters and increase left supporters.

Caleo There are many people in every political party and none who support the Palestinians and abhor Israels behaviour and violence towards them.

Using your argument, if Nigel Farage or Boris Johnson expressed solidarity with the Palestinian cause you would consider joining their party regardless of any other of their opinion and policies.

Well, that is one way to make a considered political decision. on the other hand............................................

BlueBelle

Unfortunately he ll never do well because the media have totally annihilated him with a lot of lies and bad press in my opinion but I m not so sure he’s the bad man he’s made out to be he might be I don’t know enough about him but my gut feeling is that he didn’t stand a chance

Agree. But principles are a good thing. Something which all the would be and current Tory leader are totally devoid of.

GagaJo

Lathyrus

I wonder Cakeo if you’ve ever spent time in counties that lived under Soviet domination and listened to the stories that people there tell of that time and the brutality they lived with.

You might reconsider which is the lesser of two evils.

He's a social democrat. Not a communist. If you don't know the difference, I really don't think you should be mocking another poster.

Not sure how that transformed into not knowing the difference.

It was my response to Caleos belief that withdrawing support and allowing Russia to take Ukraine would be the lesser of two evils.

Obviously the people of the Ukraine don’t believe that. They chose to die rather come under Russian domination.

For the record I respect Jeremy Corbyn as a man of principle in much the same way that I respected the late Tony Benn. But I have never considered him leadership material.

Unfortunately he ll never do well because the media have totally annihilated him with a lot of lies and bad press in my opinion but I m not so sure he’s the bad man he’s made out to be he might be I don’t know enough about him but my gut feeling is that he didn’t stand a chance

What he is saying about the invasion of Ukraine is valid, why all the talk of war and not of peace?

I am not a fan of extreme politics of any hue, and the extreme Britain First stuff we are getting from the two candidates for PM is terrifying, but we can be sure that the usual Non Dom newspaper owners will start their propoganda, their readers will be told (and believe) that Corbyn is a communist or a marxist. Just consider before some of you call for Corbyn's head on a spike, or even worse, use him as a reason to vote Tory; he warned us all that the Tories plan on selling off the NHS by stealth.

He added: “This war is disastrous for the people of Ukraine, for the people of Russia, and for the safety and security of the whole world, and therefore there has to be much more effort put into peace.”

I totally agree with this but how do you talk peace to someone like Putin? He doesn't care about his fellow Russians and will continue to use them as cannon fodder until he gets what he wants and if he is given any part of Ukraine as a "peace offering", he'll do exactly what he did in 2014. ie leave it for the dust to settle then march into Ukraine and demand some more. You cannot appease someone like Putin and as long as Ukraine refuses to surrender, we have to stand with them and help. I wonder if Corbyn would have appeased Hitler is he'd been in power???

They took a long time to make the announcement 2017

Anniebach

When Corbyn was party leader the Communist Party announced they would not put forward a candidate in the two general elections.

Possibly because in 1991 they stopped holding an annual congress when their numbers dipped to just over 4000. Not enough really to field any candidates anywhere.

When Corbyn was party leader the Communist Party announced they would not put forward a candidate in the two general elections.

To my mind one of the key problems facing the left is that many people can't tell the difference between socialist and communist. Right wing papers do all they can to perpetuate this misunderstanding.

I recently said to someone who was disenchanted with the Tory party that there are alternatives if she wishes to vote differently. Her reply was that as the only alternative is communism she will continue to vote Tory.

Lathyrus

I wonder Cakeo if you’ve ever spent time in counties that lived under Soviet domination and listened to the stories that people there tell of that time and the brutality they lived with.

You might reconsider which is the lesser of two evils.

He's a social democrat. Not a communist. If you don't know the difference, I really don't think you should be mocking another poster.

Caleo

I know little about politics but if Jeremy Corbyn started his own political party, socialist independent, then I'd ask to join it.

I would too. I don't like all of his beliefs, but he is the nearest to an honest politician I've seen in a very long time.

All the things the right-wing said were stunts or for the media, he is still just quietly doing now.

This is what Jeremy said as reported in The Guardian. It seems a fair point to me.

“Pouring arms in isn’t going to bring about a solution, it’s only going to prolong and exaggerate this war,” Corbyn said. “We might be in for years and years of a war in Ukraine.”

“What I find disappointing is that hardly any of the world’s leaders use the word peace; they always use the language of more war, and more bellicose war.”

He added: “This war is disastrous for the people of Ukraine, for the people of Russia, and for the safety and security of the whole world, and therefore there has to be much more effort put into peace.”

Corbyn will I assume stand as an independent at the next election?

Caleo

I know little about politics but if Jeremy Corbyn started his own political party, socialist independent, then I'd ask to join it.

Is JC thinking of it, then?
Not that it’d worry me - harder-left parties never do well in U.K. general elections.
All it’d do would be to split the Labour vote - and very likely let the Tories in again.

I'd welcome him starting his own party as I doubt he'd get re-elected.

Have any of us ever found a politician we 100% agree with?