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cooberpedi Thu 04-Aug-22 18:52:59

I'm 72 and parents were depression kids. We went without but never felt deprived. Mum cooked all dinners & made our clothes. We never bought food out. Children sometimes went to the cinema for 6 pence. We were happy. Sound familiar? I think in this day families need help managing with very little. If only it could become a popular subject. My granny planted potatoes to feed her 10 children in Australia in 1930's. We really don't need a lot.

MissAdventure Fri 12-Aug-22 17:27:29

I agree.
If he had been given a free bus pass for any bus, we may have been able to train him, and someone could have met him at the other end.
But no, he "didn't qualify" as needing help (he was only about 7 or 8 by this time)

So, it was just left.
He missed his swimming lessons, the stability of school, and a meal, and so on.

MerylStreep Fri 12-Aug-22 17:23:21

MissAdventure
It’s not just a shame it’s DOWN RIGHT BLOODY WRONG.

Grammaretto Fri 12-Aug-22 17:20:43

edible-edinburgh.org/growing-projects/
This is Edinburgh but other places are available grin

Galaxy Fri 12-Aug-22 17:18:48

I am in France at the moment, Grammaretto ( great name) and the heat is killing me smile

Grammaretto Fri 12-Aug-22 17:16:54

Ok sorry for taking offence. Must be the heat.
We were having a discussion but instead of suggesting solutions people seem to want to find even more problems.
I have several friends, my age, who have electric cars now and several who ride electric bikes.
I know quite a few folk who are in the car club.
Community gardens are popping up all over the place as more families want to grow their own food and there are not enough allotments.
There is a scheme, in the city, where people whose gardens are too much for them, are matched with someone who needs a plot of land. It did have to overcome the usual hurdles of insurance and disclosures but it works.

MissAdventure Fri 12-Aug-22 17:08:15

My grandson may just have been able to carry on at school if we had better transport options provided.
What a shame.

MissAdventure Fri 12-Aug-22 17:05:46

I did a few car share journeys up to scotland.
Travelled in style, in a beautiful Mercedes with an eminent surgeon, who was interested in the planet. smile

Maggiemaybe Fri 12-Aug-22 17:01:23

Enterprise Car Share is nationwide (U.K.), introduced in both Edinburgh and London in 2000. I can’t say I know anyone who uses it round here though.

Free travel for under 22s is a great idea. Free travel for all, and massive investment in public transport, would be even better, benefitting the community in so many ways. Some countries manage it, and several have pilot or temporary schemes going ahead this year.

It’s not likely to happen in England, where most of us don’t even get our senior bus passes till we’re 66. And where we’re way too accepting of very poor and fragmented public transport that keeps us enslaved to our cars.

Galaxy Fri 12-Aug-22 17:00:38

No one is shouting. We have a different view that's all.

Hithere Fri 12-Aug-22 16:43:24

Gramaretto

Nobody is shouting at you

I thought we were exchanging different points of view

MissAdventure Fri 12-Aug-22 16:42:16

Oh yes, I totally get what you mean, gramaretto.

I am sure that if England followed suit with regard to travel then it would pay off in all sorts of ways.

Even the free travel here has lots of rules applied to it.

Grammaretto Fri 12-Aug-22 16:30:08

This is all so B***y negative.
you can all stop shouting at me now please.
I am saying that there are ways around many if not most of these setbacks but if we are serious about tightening our belts we have to tackle the inconveniences and stop making excuses.
Cop 27 will happen in November, in Egypt. What has the world achieved since COP26 in Glasgow?

Still billions of cars, holidays, playing or perhaps fiddling while Rome the rain forest burns
.
MissAdventure I was drawing attention to the fact that every family member seems to want/need/expect their own car.
At least public transport is free for under 22s in Scotland now and about time too. I hope that England will follow suit

MissAdventure Fri 12-Aug-22 16:15:22

Very few jobs now are 9 to 5, and it is virtually impossible to get to work and home by public transport, I know.

Galaxy Fri 12-Aug-22 16:15:20

Yes and not just liability but something about horizons and ambition. Often on these types of threads I see people saying we should only holiday in the UK, we should limit households to one car without any thought to the risks that might entail.

Hithere Fri 12-Aug-22 16:08:54

Liability, safety - very real concerns in today's world.
We are not talking about discomfort here - for some areas, having a car is a must

Some families need to be able to have individual transportation to fulfill their responsibilities

There are already some companies like turo, zipcar, etc that are in the market of car share

People always can use uber, lyft....

Again, times changed a lot
What worked in the past doesn't work now.

Grammaretto Fri 12-Aug-22 15:55:18

I don't know what that means Hithere.
At the expense of what parameters?
I was thinking of all the waste in society and thinking of society as more than the individual.
Ofcourse individuals will need to work around their own personal pressures but the nature of the current emergency, (climate, economic, war and world shortages is a reason to put up with some discomfort. Isn't it?

Hithere Fri 12-Aug-22 15:26:01

Tightening our belts cannot be done at the expense of other parameters

Grammaretto Fri 12-Aug-22 15:11:50

I thought this thread was about tightening our belts but it has veered off into the ether. I was merely suggesting we take a look at sharing again in the light of the present day emergency.

Grammaretto Fri 12-Aug-22 15:08:30

www.edinburgh.gov.uk/carclub

Grammaretto Fri 12-Aug-22 15:05:30

Well we have managed it here in Scotland for years. We have a government with 2 Green members which could be one of the reasons why energy efficient initiatives and planet saving is such a priority.

M0nica Fri 12-Aug-22 14:35:42

It doesn't matter how many cars people own. They can only drive one at a time.

DH has the big family car and his 'toy' car, a very old model of the marque he is devoted to and which went out of business over 10 years ago, as I said, he cannot drive both at once and if he chooses to invest a couple of hundred pounds in a very old car to feel nostalgic about, why shouldn't he?

One of the problems with car sharing is that the interior has to be kept clean and free from any personalisation. In my case, water bottle, paper hankies, gloves, sunglasses, road atlas, of my chosen format, box of tools in the back, car park change, oh and a spare plastic fork. Anyone using it will adjust the seat, mirrors and, with my car, possibly the steering wheel, not to mention retuning the radio.

I recently replaced my car after someone wrote my previous car off in an accident. It has taken me the better part of six weeks to fully get the car adjusted to my maximum comfort and for safe driving.

Some people, and I am one, have difficulty adjusting to driving unfamiliar cars. As I said it has taken me 6 weeks to be fully au fait with my car. During which time I had a flat battery caused by taking the ignition key out incorrectly and stalled at a junction and could not restart the car for over 5 minutes because I did not know I had to depress the clutch first before restarting.

The idea of sharing sounds wonderful, if, for example, all the cars are the same make and model, and people are happy that children's car seats all fit in exactly the same way.

With tools everyone is agreed on which drill, chain saw, lawn mower they use, but all these tools offer an endless range of sizes, power and extras and different people are looking for different features.

For example in the last 5 years we have bought 2 lawn mowers, one petrol driven, one with a battery which were well reviewed and seemed to do everything we wanted, but when we got them, proved totally unsuitable for our purposes. So we had to sell them and buy different makes and models.

Anyway Hire Shops are so good and the range of tools they offer so extensive plus they have full trained staff who service and check everything when it is returned, and I would feel far safer with them.

I am not against sharing. When I was pregnant the street I lived in had a communal wardrobe of maternity wear, but I think these schemes have to be either small and personal or large scale to work efficiently and safely, and for me, safety would be a constant concern.

Galaxy Fri 12-Aug-22 14:05:25

Well there would be insurance issues with sharing cars.

Hithere Fri 12-Aug-22 14:04:36

Liability- what happens if the loaner of the car has an accident?

Sharing is a great idea in general, in practice it is risky

Grammaretto Fri 12-Aug-22 13:50:09

OK Hithere I get that but sharing in general, in your communities?
Loaning your car on the days you don't use it? Sharing tools. Sharing as a concept?
We have a very supportive community thanks to various characters who were inspired a generation ago and have a tool library, a bike loan scheme, a car club etc
It isn't always the SAHM but far more sharing of child care than when you and I were young.

Hithere Fri 12-Aug-22 12:57:07

"I never understood why every household has to have multiple cars. What happened to sharing?"

Easy! The multiple family members need their own transportation to fulfill their commitments (work, study, errands, etc)

Times change.
A sahm doesn't have to be stuck at home because the partner took the car to work, for example