Lack of police presence

MaggsMcG

Lay some of the blame on the do-gooders who keep bleeding for leniency. Even people with mental health problems should be incarcerated if they are a danger to the public. Isn't that what Broadmoor was designed for.

Perhaps we should blame the Justice System where young people who could be trained for to be useful to society by helping them with their education, learning trades, etc when they are imprisoned. OR the introduction to Care in the Community which has failed people with mental health issues. Our mental health services did need a shake up but not a withdrawal of services. Or maybe the education system which fails certain young people from the start with a one size fits all so young males in particular are turned off from learning for life. Or maybe we should blame the hard liners who look at youth as something the dog has brought in instead of engaging with them especially as many of the youth facilities now don't get funding so young people don't have anywhere to go to socialise outside the school day so fall into bad company.
Of course, we can shove petty offenders into prisons for a long time and they can learn how to get away with their offences and learn how to commit more.

MaggsMcG

Lay some of the blame on the do-gooders who keep bleeding for leniency. Even people with mental health problems should be incarcerated if they are a danger to the public. Isn't that what Broadmoor was designed for.

What is this do gooder?
I’ve never met one and I worked in probation, social work and mental health.
‘People with mental health problems’ can and are incarcerated if they’re a danger to the public”.

I wonder if the various Chief Constables who when interviewed recently, have blamed the lack of community workers, mental health and substance misuse worker are ‘do Golders’ in your world view. I heard 3 of the quoting the research that confirms early intervention, investment in early years reduces crime and anti social behaviour.

happycatholicwife1

They do not fear God so they do not fear man.

I really don't see what that's got to do with anything - I'm an atheist and know many other atheists and none of them are running around committing crime sprees!

Labadi0747

I have been visiting central London for the past 4 days .
I swear I have not SEEN 1 policeman in the flesh despite being in high tourist areas. However Apple store had 4 security officers outside their store in covent garden .
It’s seriously an appalling state of affairs. Where are they all & how will Notting Hill carnival go without any visible security?

There will be plenty of Police dancing with the revellers at Notting Hill while elsewhere there will be public disorder and muggings going on.

Look at the ridiculous situation at Lincoln Pride Festival where Police were dancing the Macarena. A dispersal order had to be issued a couple of hours later after there were a number of large fights in the city. It's beyond belief.
Watch the video here but be prepared for your blood pressure to rise:
Lincoln dancing Police officers

Yes I dont fear God or even believe in him, yet still manage not to be conducting a one woman crime spree.

Labad
This will help to explain.
The article is 5yrs old but very relate to.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/05/theresa-may-police-cuts-margaret-thatcher-budgets

happycatholicwife1

They do not fear God so they do not fear man.

I think it is more to the point that they do not fear authority of any kind.

They do not fear God so they do not fear man.

I have been visiting central London for the past 4 days .
I swear I have not SEEN 1 policeman in the flesh despite being in high tourist areas. However Apple store had 4 security officers outside their store in covent garden .
It’s seriously an appalling state of affairs. Where are they all & how will Notting Hill carnival go without any visible security?

Time has moved on from the days when police officers knew who was who in a community. Children if brought home by a police officer for stepping out of line knew they were in trouble from parents. All that has gone. Where I live I see it everyday. Children riding on footpaths, roads on electric scooters. Of course they grow up doing what they want as their parents have done just thst buying the scooters and allowing them to illegally use them. Not enough police, total disrespect from adults and children alike. Far too many rules that must be obeyed by Police or the offenders cry "I have Rights".We get what we pay for, a lesser overstretched police force. Crime thrives when there is nothing to counter it and in this country that has become less and less.

Lay some of the blame on the do-gooders who keep bleeding for leniency. Even people with mental health problems should be incarcerated if they are a danger to the public. Isn't that what Broadmoor was designed for.

glynis1234

It seems that it’s not safe to walk the street in some areas. Very sad state of affairs.

When you have a violent street mugging in upmarket Chelsea in broad daylight I'd say that applies to ANY area.

It seems that it’s not safe to walk the street in some areas. Very sad state of affairs.

Grandetante its pretty much the same law as Scotland and knife crime has dropped considerably .ALL crime is at its lowest rate in 40 years.Police Scotland has been very successful in recent years by tackling the roots of crime not just when it happens .

Anniebach

Knife carriers do not walk the streets with knife in hand

Probably not Anniebach, but if they had no intention of using the knife "at need" they would have left it at home!

In Denmark it is illegal to carry a knife in your hand, pocket, glove compartment of your car or in a bag if its blade is longer than that of a Swiss Army pocket knife, unless it is a tool of your trade and you can prove that you are on the way to or from your work.

This law was brought in in an attempt to lessen stabbings and the like. It seems, though, that the increasing use of security cameras is proving more effective than laws about what lenght of knife you may legally be found with in public.

When my bike was taken from my house (so classed as Burglary) the police were fantastic. They put a lot of legwork in, they knew who'd dunnit and eventually, having recovered my bike, they put the evidence to the CPS. Hours and hours were wasted when the CPS said they weren't going to proceed. If I were the policeman involved, I'd have been terribly disheartened.. As it was, they seemed more worried that I would be upset.

what areas are you referring to? violent? poor? cesspit of crime? that's London surely? or do you mean "the North"? i sincerely hope not! crime is everywhere why did you jump[ on to the bandwagon of this week's crimes in the news? don't forget the terrible riots were started in.....Brixton....shock horreur

Britain follows America,
a lawless society; drugs, booze, crime etc etc.

Care in the community was only ever a money saving idea. It's very difficult to get psychiatric help for anyone now so horrific crimes being committed. We do need more police though but government cut recruitment and now there is a shortage

What has made matters worse over the past 20 years is the massive rise in cybercrime and online abuse etc. This is a whole other world which the Police never had to deal with before the rise of the internet. That has probably doubled the amount of crime they have to deal with, and therefore the number of Police should have also doubled. Instead they have been reduced, which has always made me despair.

knspol you have it in a nutshell.
But people are still swayed apparently by a political party leader who promises tax cuts ?

It's a vicious circle, the police are too busy helping those who are mentally ill because there is a lack of help for them elsewhere, hospitals have huge waiting lists exacerbated by bed blockers who are suffering from a lack of social care/care home places and on it goes. I think that unless we all pay higher taxes to fund so many aspects of unsatisfactory daily life nowadays then this will only get worse - but what do I know?!

Regarding Olivia - just so awful for her Mum. If she felt she lived in a dangerous area, she'd never have opened the door to see what the racket was mid-evening. As for the shot man on release who 'phoned a friend' (the black Audi) to take him to hospital and left the child to die - words fail me. Please don't make wild generalisations about types of people or life in Liverpool. That road is a slightly down market area of semis and terraces such as millions live in. Interesting that electric scooters, mobile phones and guns all feature - and of course men. Sorry I have nothing useful to say.

Anyone who doesn’t value human life should forfeit their own…

Well, what did we all expect after 'austerity' and many years of Conservatives in power? All public services are vastly underfunded and close to breaking down. Now even some police are going to food banks - it is certainly not the fault of the police that this is happening. There just are not enough of them and they are tied up in red tape, anyway. And they will be on the front line quelling any riots that arise through a cold and starving population. I'm fed up with saying - and even thinking - adjectives like 'outrageous'. If the people of this country do not vote the Conservatives out at the next election, then maybe they will finally realise what's happening when we return to Nineteenth Century conditions, when the rich had all the power and many places were unsafe and unhealthy. I am so glad I'm not one of the younger generation! (which is very sad to say!)