Duchess of Sussex the bullying has to stop.

Couldn’t careless Lucca that you are horrified,I find that hilarious,a comment from a stranger bothers you that much.Perhaps you need more in your life.Disillusioned,don’t be so dramatic.

I am actually not posting on this thread again,it is boring me.

In fact I will stay on MN,they got it exactly right when they described GN earlier in the week.

Just came back to this and genuinely horrified nobody else seems at all
Bothered by Heath comment this morning which was rude personal and xenophobic regardless of your opinion of Meghan. I’m very disillusioned

I am just passing through before my long weekend, but wanted to respond to a fee posts.

Calliste: I, too, hope that we can all disagree with acrimony and personal insults. Luckily, I have managed to do so on this thread without much effort because I do not like acrimony and personal insults. Sadly, that was not the case from another poster to me last night.

Notspaghetti thank you for your thoutful post. I think you touched on a few points that are important regarding the differences between British and Americans.

Glorianny: I apologize for misinterpreting your post! As you can see, it can be dangerous to be an American around here sometimes, though my reaction even surprised me!

NotSpaghetti

imaround - I'm another one who welcomes an American perspective - so thank you.

I think part of the problem is that on the whole (massive generalisation) there is a different view of wealth and "status" in America - wealth is not dirty word there and status is "achieved" rather than an accident of birth. Striving for wealth and a "lifestyle" is certainly more commended than it would be in the UK where we are more likely to say someone is "above themself".

I also remember from my time there and subsequent visits that the media doesn't bite the hand that feeds it quite the same as ours do and that "ordinary" people in America are less suspicious of successful people.

Meghan no doubt feels she is a successful woman and as others think she is too, this gives ger a voice. I expect people are interested in what she has to say abd therefore will listen.

Over here we have problems simply with her notion of her own importance. Other than birth royalty, here I think we maybe expect people to acquire sucess slowly by persistently doing the right thing.

I'm not sure if this is even 100% relevant to this debate but I think the British public on the whole were originally pleased to see Meghan and thought she was the breath of fresh air. What she should have done was just sit it out for a while as Michelle Obama apparently suggested and then little by little she would have crept into people's hearts and we wouldn't be having these discussions here.

Just my thoughts.
And apologies for the liberal smattering of inverted commas I've just noticed.

Nice post.

Americans do seem to believe earned wealth to be acceptable.

People are commended for legally making a living, paying their mortgage, as compared to living in luxury by accident of birth.

Money doesn't equate to being "above themselves".

Just don't tell false tales, all will be well.

JaneJudge
I agree with your last post Glorianny. Women have been told to be quiet and dignified for sooooooo long now, we are allowed to be loud and brash and whatever bloody else, even if people don't like us for doing so. Misogyny is alive and well

Does that include bullying other women and reducing them to tears? Meghan has history regarding that particular trait and it goes way back before she became a Duchess. Attempting to deflect by stating she’s some kind of trailblazer because she’s ‘black’ is nonsense.

She uses people to get what she wants then drops them. The female writer that did the interview for The Cut magazine didn’t exactly write a sympathetic article. I think she saw through madam Sussex.

NotSpaghetti

Glorianny - I made no comments about Meghan and surnames. I was just elaborating on the choices we have regarding the names we use.

Sorry if I have muddied waters somehow.

I assume she does use her own name, many her age do, brilliant solution.

I think it would be lovely if she didn't stretch the truth.

Regardless I can't fault them for earning a living and supporting themselves, less for the taxpayers or PC to provide.

JaneJudge

I agree with your last post Glorianny. Women have been told to be quiet and dignified for sooooooo long now, we are allowed to be loud and brash and whatever bloody else, even if people don't like us for doing so. Misogyny is alive and well

Does that mean you can trash other women and their reputations in the process.
Is that misogyny or does it have another word?

Something I read on GN - what happened to the Sisterhood?

Well it is good to have an American perspective here
I agree

And I hope we can disagree without acrimony and personal insults.

nanna8

This thread still going! Amazing. Obviously a lot of interest from us all.

Perhaps Meghan likes to have the last word, but then so do we ?

MissAdventure

Surely the best way to use her husband's family would be to pose prettily, toe the line, conform to the usual ways of the family?
What motivates her to move away from doing that?

Well, she did that at first and we were all charmed.

But no, I wouldn't expect her to conform to a stereotype or even for them to stay here and perform any Royal duties if they both wanted out. Two less to fund, more slimming down can't be a bad thing although I think they could have been great ambassadors for Britain overseas had they remained in the firm.

However, all the sly digs, the innuendo all the time in public is just tawdry. And it's boring now.

Callistemon21

merlotgran

I am sure she is laughing all the way to the bank when you do.

For now.

Is that the most important thing then?
Money?

I came across this for the first time yesterday. Kurt Vonnegut's obituary for Joseph Heller. It seems apt.

Joseph Heller, an important and funny writer, now dead, and I were at a party given by a billionaire on Shelter Island. I said, “Joe, how does it make you feel to know that our host only yesterday may have made more money than your novel ‘Catch-22’ has earned in its entire history?” And Joe said, “I’ve got something he can never have.” And I said, “What on earth could that be, Joe?” And Joe said, “The knowledge that I’ve got enough.”

This thread still going! Amazing. Obviously a lot of interest from us all.

I hope she really does love Harry, and he wasn’t just a means to an end, i.e. wanting a rich, famous husband, ready to have a family with him, and probably most important, a platform for her own ambitions in life.

I hope so too, but I wouldn't bank on it.

The book reminded me of various lies and hypocrisies in the past which I had forgotten because new ones had taken precedence. Frankly I think H & M bring out the worst in each other but I can understand how they each needed what the other could give - he could give money, fame and status, and she could mother him and support him in leaving the RF. I just wish they hadn't trashed absolutely everyone along the way.

Glorianny - I made no comments about Meghan and surnames. I was just elaborating on the choices we have regarding the names we use.

Sorry if I have muddied waters somehow.

I hope so too Calendargirl.

Like you Sparklefizz,I have just finished the ‘Revenge’ book, also from the library.

I agree, it was informative, balanced and just came across as very true.

I hope she really does love Harry, and he wasn’t just a means to an end, i.e. wanting a rich, famous husband, ready to have a family with him, and probably most important, a platform for her own ambitions in life.

She's not just using her life experiences, she's lying Glorianny. You are not being paid to give interviews because the family you married into are known throughout the world, and whenever you do talk about them, it's to 'dish the dirt' which so far has boiled down too unsubstantiated claims and accusations.

NotSpaghetti

Regarding names, you don't have to use someone else's name if you don't want too.
I have two friends who chose their own surnames one became "Freeman" and another took a name after a river.

We all choose to "take" "reject" or "accept" names.
Some use different names in different places. I used my father's surname (maiden name) for my degrees for example, and for 15 or so years in the workplace.

Fair enough so why castigate one woman for choosing something different?
As I said my married name was linked with my profession so you could construe that I made money out of that. It's still the name I use so I am still making money out of it, every time I get paid for something (which isn't often now I admit)

It is so funny. One black woman making podcasts is accused of undermining a family which owns not only substantial amounts of real estate, exerts influence on the media and communications, not to mention the UK government, and keeps some very dark secrets, but also has huge amounts of cash. Really! Perhaps it's time some of that was undermined.

I doubt if Michelle Obama has any idea what life is like in the RF. Perhaps she would have given different advice if she had. But quoting her and agreeing with her still means "keep your mouth shut and just put up with things.".

She's using her life experiences Callistemon21 they happen to include the RF.

I have just finished reading "Revenge" by Tom Bower, about Meghan, Harry and the Windsors.

Before anyone leaps in to judge, the book is very informative and balanced. When Tom Bower was interviewed on the radio, he pointed out that every single thing mentioned in his book had been extremely thoroughly checked because obviously Harry & Meghan are very litigious and he didn't want lawsuits.

There are 882 references throughout the book regarding facts and sources which are listed in 21 pages of Endnotes. The author doesn't give his own opinions but states facts.

I got the book out of the library as I wasn't going to pay £22 for it. It explains a great deal about Meghan's childhood, her father and family, the Royal Family and her trajectory from hardly known actress to her current position.

Regarding names, you don't have to use someone else's name if you don't want too.
I have two friends who chose their own surnames one became "Freeman" and another took a name after a river.

We all choose to "take" "reject" or "accept" names.
Some use different names in different places. I used my father's surname (maiden name) for my degrees for example, and for 15 or so years in the workplace.

Thanks for the clarification .

She is gaslighting him and she feeds off attention.

It was my own original thought, smileless

I agree Sparklefizz.