Duchess of Sussex the bullying has to stop.

I wouldn't mind her criticising the monarchy if she actually told the truth !!

And I wouldn't mind her preaching (and Harry's) if they weren't such hypocrites.

Whose ever suggested that MissA?

They left their role in the RF presumably so neither of them would have to 'toe the line'. There's nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is what Anniebach has referred too; the lies, betrayal and blackmail,

I for one see nothing admirable about that and certainly don't see how that's an example of a strong, independent woman and one who will be a good example to anyone.

You don't have to admire Meghan to think that there is bullying going on. Fair comment when she does something wrong but criticising for everything she does from the picture she has posed for to the fact she dares to criticise the monarchy?

Seems some admire Megan who lies, betrays, blackmails

This is being a strong woman !

I dont think it's in her personality to toe the line MissAdventure.

Surely the best way to use her husband's family would be to pose prettily, toe the line, conform to the usual ways of the family?
What motivates her to move away from doing that?

Callistemon21

merlotgran

They’re not being bullied. People are entitled to make negative comments about the podcast if they want to.

I haven’t listened to it because I can’t think of anything worse than nearly an hour of Meghan talking about herself ?

I thought the OP meant that Meghan and Harry were going to stop bullying the Royal Family with their innuendos and underhand accusations.

Silly me! Now I've read the thread I am enlightened.
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I'll reiterate my first post.

I thought the OP meant that Meghan and Harry were going to stop bullying the Royal Family with their innuendos and underhand accusations.

Just move on, the pair of you.
Don't keep airing past grievances and telling whoppers to make a living. It's not the way to earn respect.

She's a black woman earning her own living and trying to raise her children free from the restrictions of the outdated, inbred, family she married into and I think that takes guts.

It would be admirable if she earned her own living without using that family to make an income!!

Guts? Really??

JaneJudge

I'm married so I am using someone else's name as well then but before that I was using my Dad's so

Not everyone does, though

Callistemon21 how you can repost notspahettis cmment and then ask "Has anyone said this" I don't know. What else is "sit it out a while" other than saying conform and don't be yourself?

Michelle Obama's advice.

No-one said 'Don't be yourself'
However, observing how everything works in a new organisation is a good idea. Saying you're going to go in and 'hit the ground running' then try to change things in any new firm or organisation is not a good idea, even if you go in as CEO.

And, btw, Meghan did have a very good induction but we don't hear much about that.

Smiless 2012 great post. I share your thoughts.

I didn't fall for anything Glorianny and if the wedding was a publicity stunt she was just as happy to go along with it as the rest of the RF wasn't she.

I don't know what you mean when you say you're still using your ex-huband's name. I assume you mean that that is the name you continue to be known by despite being divorced, and not to make money from.

I'm married so I am using someone else's name as well then but before that I was using my Dad's so

Callistemon21 how you can repost notspahettis cmment and then ask "Has anyone said this" I don't know. What else is "sit it out a while" other than saying conform and don't be yourself?

Smileless I'm still using my ex-husbands name and I'm not even married to him. It became and it remains the name I am known as personally and professionally. Just as Meghan's title is hers.
It isn't her fault you and many others fell for the RF publicity stunt aka the Royal Wedding.

But theres always someone in the royal family who takes that role. It's a storyline in the soap opera that gets recycled again and again.

I'm not sure it's about being quiet and dignified as such to be honest. It's about finding out how your new job currently functions. Yes, come in with ideas for change but like any job you don't scare the horses on day 1.

I have always been outspoken in my workplace and it's not always been appreciated but mostly by acknowledging what others have done and just being thoughtful around others who maybe have given years of their life to something - you can implement change and you can empower others and ultimately you will be valued for your honesty and sense of what is right.

Regarding Harry and the need to "get out", I honestly thought they might spend a year or two "off the circuit a bit" in Africa where he may have found some peace with himself and the woman he loved.
I think that would have been agreed to by "the Firm" with barely any discussion (no evidence for this obviously). I just don't understand why they chose the route they did.

Has she been knocked down? I don't think so. If she's 'fallen from grace' it's her own doing.

That's a very british thing, perhaps?
Lots of celebrating, and building someone up, then knocking them down again.

Or perhaps it's a media thing?

But she's earning her living using the title she acquired when she married into the outdated, inbred, family and I think it's more to do with stupidity to come out with one lie after another, than guts.

For me and I know I'm not alone, it has nothing to do with her being a mixed race American who is also an actress, it's the public trashing of the family she married and the British people who turned out in their thousands to celebrate her marriage to PH.

There may well have been dancing in the streets too.

I agree with your last post Glorianny. Women have been told to be quiet and dignified for sooooooo long now, we are allowed to be loud and brash and whatever bloody else, even if people don't like us for doing so. Misogyny is alive and well

Why any woman in the 21st century should have to live anywhere where she feels she can't be herself I don't understand
Has anyone said that?

I for one always thought Harry wanted an escape route from the constricts of Royal life - that's just fine. Meghan provided one, helping towards the slimmed down Monarchy many of us want.
There are many ways to earn a dollar, too, especially if you both have a cushion of wealth.

I'm not sure if this is even 100% relevant to this debate but I think the British public on the whole were originally pleased to see Meghan and thought she was the breath of fresh air. What she should have done was just sit it out for a while as Michelle Obama apparently suggested and then little by little she would have crept into people's hearts and we wouldn't be having these discussions here.

Absolutely, NotSpaghetti

imaround your comments are very welcome.
You misunderstood my sarcastic post about Meghan not bothering to learn English but that's Ok.
The numerous examples of how she is castigated on these threads for not behaving properly, not adapting, not fitting in, being difficult, show exactly what I was getting at. It's all her fault.
Why any woman in the 21st century should have to live anywhere where she feels she can't be herself I don't understand.
There seems to be some sort of perception on these threads that the RF is somehow a body of people with higher principles and better morals, when anyone could tell you that they are simply better at keeping secrets and suppressing stuff. But there you are they still fool people.
There are some real digs at America and Americans on these threads which should be apologised for. I'll apologise if you found my sarcasm unacceptable.
Perhaps those who have insinuated that the British are more discerning and don''t have instant celebrities (There are a lot of them) could apologise too. The British distaste or perception that something American must be inferior is totally unfounded, but I think it does tie into this criticism of Meghan Markle, as all the things she did prior to her marriage are summarily dismissed. The greatest event of her life being her marriage to a minor royal, something which is supposed to define her for evermore.
She's a black woman earning her own living and trying to raise her children free from the restrictions of the outdated, inbred, family she married into and I think that takes guts.

imaround

I did NOT compare her to Michelle Obama. I said IF Michelle Obama said it you would laud it. I know quite a bit about Michelle Obama since, I am an American and well, I can read and I vote. You all really do see only what you want to see don't you.

Money is important when you have a mortgage. So which is it? She and Harry earn their own living or they live off the UK Taxpayer dollar.

Looks like her podcast is going to be #1 again on Spotify this week, so it doesn't really matter if you don't listen Callistmon21. Your loss.

I'm an admirer of Michelle Obama, imaround, as I posted earlier.
We don't have to be American to watch, read and evaluate.

This morning I thought of what she said:
"When they go low, we go high"
Brilliant and succinct.

I'm sorry not to be an admirer of Meghan and it's nothing whatsoever to do with her being American.
But it seems that "when they go low, we go lower" seems to be her motto.

It's Meghan's public behaviour which has made me feel like that, so, sorry, I won't be listening to the podcast even if you think that is my loss. I don't think she has much she can teach me. However, I think she could learn a lot from Michelle Obama.

You're right, there is no comparison.

NotSpaghetti

imaround - I'm another one who welcomes an American perspective - so thank you.

I think part of the problem is that on the whole (massive generalisation) there is a different view of wealth and "status" in America - wealth is not dirty word there and status is "achieved" rather than an accident of birth. Striving for wealth and a "lifestyle" is certainly more commended than it would be in the UK where we are more likely to say someone is "above themself".

I also remember from my time there and subsequent visits that the media doesn't bite the hand that feeds it quite the same as ours do and that "ordinary" people in America are less suspicious of successful people.

Meghan no doubt feels she is a successful woman and as others think she is too, this gives ger a voice. I expect people are interested in what she has to say abd therefore will listen.

Over here we have problems simply with her notion of her own importance. Other than birth royalty, here I think we maybe expect people to acquire sucess slowly by persistently doing the right thing.

I'm not sure if this is even 100% relevant to this debate but I think the British public on the whole were originally pleased to see Meghan and thought she was the breath of fresh air. What she should have done was just sit it out for a while as Michelle Obama apparently suggested and then little by little she would have crept into people's hearts and we wouldn't be having these discussions here.

Just my thoughts.
And apologies for the liberal smattering of inverted commas I've just noticed.

Nice post NotSpaghetti.

Refreshingly balanced and well-reasoned, looking at the bigger picture and doing so without spite and malice.

I'm not sure if this is even 100% relevant to this debate but I think the British public on the whole were originally pleased to see Meghan and thought she was the breath of fresh air. What she should have done was just sit it out for a while as Michelle Obama apparently suggested and then little by little she would have crept into people's hearts and we wouldn't be having these discussions here.

IMO it's both relevant and accurate, and I believe Michelle Obama gave wise advice. Though she, too, has had her share of vindictive disapproval, but she seems to have handled the attacks with grace and dignity.