People earning 45K plus to receive Energy help

Agree 100% with Houseplant !

The comment about being warm & Cody in 4* hotels is ignorant, inflammatory and incorrect !!

It’s very hard, I think all, apart from the top 10% of earners will be hit by massive cost of living costs. I think what people forget is that those on low incomes or benefits, whilst it is a huge struggle, often have much lower costs than higher earners, £45,000 doesn’t go that far if you have a huge mortgage and costs associated with working

Apologies with my sums, I meant to say my net income was £11,000 last year but would have been £18,500 had I also been getting my SP ie next winter.

I am retired and my income last year from two work pensions was £16000 - will increase to £23500 after October when I get my SP. But my investments lost £5000 between July 2021 and July 2022 so net income was £18500. I do not have a mortgage, pay rent or have any other debts.

If there was support for people on low incomes then I think I would be included. However, I have decent investments and the ability to draw down on another pension scheme when my investments have been spent. I do not consider myself in need as I can cover the increases by dipping into my savings - exactly the reason I have them!

So any scheme based purely on income is going to have anomalies with people being helped who really don’t need it. I know my financial matters are slightly unusual in that I did not decide to take out an annuity from this private pension fund, I trust myself to use the money widely to fund my retirement and any care needs I might have.

Having said this, there is a need for some more support for many people, it is upsetting to read of families considering not heating their homes this winter and cutting back on food for their children. Mumsnet has several posts, as we do here, on tips to save money on energy bills.

45k is not that great a salary these days ....it doesn't go far

however, another guest presenter reminded caller that the tax of the 45K earner goes towards the caller's UC..

It doesn't.

Nobody's tax pays for anything. It's a myth that the greater part of the population has swallowed and which enables the tories to cut public services and benefits to the bone...

HousePlantQueen

Do you know what makes my blood boil Kazzerb? Your post, which is ignorant ill informed. Perhaps you would like to explain to the rest of us just how we can be warm, cosy and well fed in 4* hotels?

A veiled reference to illegal immigrants perhaps?????

Shame transmission fees aren't the same Callistemon currently English and Welsh companies adding to the grid pay @ 49 PENCE per MWH ..Scotland pays almost £8 for the same MWH to be added .The highest transmission fees in Europe ! of course as we are by far the most successful producer of Renewable energy ,sending billions of £ worth SOUTH every year they have to milk us for the cash as well as the FREE energy .
Such a union of equals !!
Information from the NATIONAL GRID website

I think the government should be tackling the Energy companies with regard to profit margins it is ridiculous that they are getting rich on the back of this, also Ofgem have proved themselves useless how can you raise the price cap, I thought they were there to look after the people not the companies.
Everyone lives to their income no matter what that may be.

My standing charges total 71.75 per day to be reviewed 13 September

Well it is high Pittcity not just as high as ours.

This government ar
is leaving people in a state of fear or uncertainty by waiting till the new PM is in place. For many this will cause unnecessary stress.
We won't know for at least another week what if anything will be done.

Meanwhile many have turned off their heating systems already.

Ours is 68.31p a day Smileless fixed until next June. I thought that was high but it seems not.

Our combined standing charge for gas and electricity is 77p a day which I think is ridiculous, is anyone's any higher?

It's the huge standing charge even if you use no energy that riles me.

I agree that nobody should have to pay for hot food and warmth just to line the pockets of the rich.

Do you know what makes my blood boil Kazzerb? Your post, which is ignorant ill informed. Perhaps you would like to explain to the rest of us just how we can be warm, cosy and well fed in 4* hotels?

Most people pay tax, logically the more you earn, the more you pay.

It's not the higher taxpayer who should be subsidising the rich energy companies, surely?

Meanwhile some that have never paid a penny in to the system are going to be warm, cosy and well fed in 4 hotels !!! It makes my blood boil !!*

Can you explain who these people are please?

Ah, I see all the blame is going to the wrong places a usual

It's us poor sods I feel for ! My Husband and I still work full time, have never claimed a penny in benefits but have paid in to the system to support the benefit state and NHS for years. We, as tax payers, are the one's supporting the whole Country and yet still worrying about how we are going to manage ! Meanwhile some that have never paid a penny in to the system are going to be warm, cosy and well fed in 4* hotels !!! It makes my blood boil !!

£45,000 pa might go a lot further in some areas of the country than others but fuel prices are similar throughout.

I think that the energy sector needs a good kick up the arse
I agree and the government needs to do the kicking.

Nobody should be expected to pay the extortionate prices to heat their homes, cook their food etc., and that applies to the poorest in society up to the richest, just because some can afford to pay, doesn’t mean they should

That too, just to fill the coffers of the fuel companies and their shareholders.

reduce the bills and let the suppliers take the hit spot on Doodledog; if only.

Baggs

*Rooms still have to be heated and lit regardless of how many people are using them - whether one or four.*

But perhaps fewer rooms need to be heated, which must make some difference.

In the case of both sets of my grandparents, only one room was generally heated ever.

That's true, but someone living alone still has the outgoings of a couple - rent/mortgage etc are the same - but on one salary instead of two. The only 'perk' they get is a reduction in council tax. It costs much the same to cook a casserole for four as for one, and buying in bulk is often not a viable option.

There are so many variables with all of this that it makes far more sense to just reduce the bills and let the suppliers take the hit.

Taking the vat off wont even be a drop in the ocean and neither will her idea of tax cuts. The estimated price cap that comes into force in April is £7,700. So getting rid of vat on that amount would be a saving of about £380.

Tax cuts wont help anyone who pays very little tax or no tax at all.

I was with you until the whole bit about people living beyond their means and having too many children that are supported by the state...

That's quite judgemental and off putting, these children are future tax payers and an investment if we can persuade the government to fund education better

I wouldn't mind if people earning 45,000 a year got it if they needed it. I don't know their finances and mortgages or student debt could leave them feeling pinched too.

I'm happy for my taxes to go to whoever needs it