Anyone still thinking of voting tory at the next General Election?

These threads are seriously weird.
Why does anyone care who votes for what party?
Some people on here are obsessed with it, & asking for reasons why people vote the way they do?
I’ll vote for whoever I like.
Honestly, you’d think the Tory party was a banned far right organisation the way people talk on here.
Go & join an Italian forum & ask people the same question, might be more interesting.

MayBee70

I can understand people voting Conservative if their MP is an old school decent kind of MP. Everyone I knew in Ken Clark’s constituency voted for him regardless of their political persuasion. If eg someone like Dominic Grieve was my MP I’d be tempted to vote for him but Johnson booted him out. I nearly voted Conservative once because I was tempted by a couple of things in their manifesto but, guess what. They never did them anyway so it’s a good job I didn’t.

That's what I was driving at in an earlier comment.

Clarke and Grieve epitomise the traditional Conservative party that was the 'acceptable' face of Capitalism. Clarke, in particular, always appeared to me to be 'in touch' with the lives of ordinary people.

What I cannot understand is why anyone who isn't fairly wealthy will vote for this current mob. If you have a mortgage, or rely on the NHS and other associated services, have a private pension, if you are afraid to turn on your central heating, if your adult children are struggling or just about managing... what do you hope to gain from re-electing them?

The 'mood' of the country is a tad ugly at the moment. There are strikes, there is anger, people are feeling rebellious - will investors really be attracted to invest in the UK under the current climate?

Truss and Kwarteng may have a mandate from certain sections of the Tory party, but they don't have one from the general public.

Fleurpepper

DaisyAnne

I think we need to remember that most people are not political in the way that we are. I have dear friends who are Dicken's description of Conservative but only one of them would consider themselves "political". I think, for some, this is all quite bewildering. Heaven knows what they will do if it is still like this, with this crew, by the time we come to a GE.

Yes, I know some too. And in the last few days their private pensions have lost a huge percentage, and their buyer (house) pulled out due to mortgage issues. They are suddenly coming to realise what they voted for!

That sounds as if you are crowing Fleurpepper. I wouldn't want to be the friend of someone who does that. However, I do appreciate the nuances are missing on the internet so maybe that's not what you meant.

Mamardoit

DaisyAnne

I think we need to remember that most people are not political in the way that we are. I have dear friends who are Dicken's description of Conservative but only one of them would consider themselves "political". I think, for some, this is all quite bewildering. Heaven knows what they will do if it is still like this, with this crew, by the time we come to a GE.

Could you explain who 'we' are please DaisyAnn.

Gransnet members and readers, Mamardoit. Who else could it be?

It has been a good week for Labour and an unprecedentedly bad week for the Tories.

At times like these it is easy to think that Labour is in with a chance to win the next general election, but and it is a huge but - in order to win a majority it needs to do better probably than it has ever done.

That is the sort of mountain Labour has to climb and why imo it makes much more sense for all parties of the left to cooperate in order to save the U.K. form the destruction we are witnessing.

It will depend on the other options. At the last local elections I voted green because the candidate was local. I did get the chance to speak to him and he was spot on with local issues. The sitting tories got in as usual.

I either won't vote at the next election or vote Independent. I can't vote Tory or Labour!

Gosh, Varian, if that doesn't sum up what's wrong with Our Leaders, I don't know what could. Has his local party stood by him? Has his wife stood by him? It's the book Anatomy of a Scandal come to life. Astonishing disregard for other people seems the hallmark of the Conservative party.

GagaJo

I could (but won't, don't want a ban!) name GN members who will still vote Tory.

Oh don't be shy! Give them a chance to challenge you.

DaisyAnne

I think we need to remember that most people are not political in the way that we are. I have dear friends who are Dicken's description of Conservative but only one of them would consider themselves "political". I think, for some, this is all quite bewildering. Heaven knows what they will do if it is still like this, with this crew, by the time we come to a GE.

Could you explain who 'we' are please DaisyAnn.

Never have and never will.

I've only voted Tory twice, once for Thatcher and that was because she was a woman?. Never again obviously. But my DH has voted for them all his life and has said he will not vote for them again.

Because I think of the women who suffered so much to give us a vote and have always voted . Never voted for conservative or labour but next general election I will be voting labour for the simple fact my MP is very good and is labour . I would never spoil my ballot nor not vote. As people who do lose their voice and I have found those that do those things are the biggest moaners about politics when because of what they have done then they have no say.

This is my own opinion and experience before anyone jumps up and down and hurtles abuse at me.

Dickens There is a school of thought that regards [Rand] as a sociopath!

This is one of the many things that's surprised me over my life. When I was young everyone regarded her as a sociopath and, more than that, anyone holding positive opinions of her was also thought of the same way. Now we have cabinet ministers openly expressing admiration.

I'll wait until election date has been announced to formulate my decision. This current 'gamble' hasn't had the best of starts. I have the odd gamble myself but I only do it with my own money. Think they're all a bit Raving Looney at the moment.

I have some friends who have been lifelong politically active Conservatives and one of them has just indicated that he will “most likely” vote for Labour at the next GE. He told me he is horrified at the “lack of moral integrity that has seeped into the Tory party” and he’s equally disturbed by the “scale of their ineptitude when it comes to managing the economy”. He also has a well developed social conscience that he says has “taken a battering” under successive Tory leaders.

I’ve had many, many discussions with my Tory voting friends and I’m actually a little bit shocked that, currently with one exception, they are all saying that they are very unlikely to vote Conservative at the next election. ?

MayBee70. Several years ago we were in the first class lounge at Heathrow. Ken Clark and his wife were also there. My DH went to get us a drink and just happened to talk to KC. He was getting a huge whisky and an orange juice. For some reason he felt the need to explain to my DH who the drinks were for. The whisky was apparently for his wife and the orange juice for him. Minutes later we watched him down both drinks. Without offering either to his wife. He had no reason to lie to my DH.

Why would anyone care who votes what on here? I hate this ganging up syndrome, it is just plain nasty. It reminds me of sending people to Coventry when I was a schoolgirl. To my absolute shame, I joined in.

I can understand people voting Conservative if their MP is an old school decent kind of MP. Everyone I knew in Ken Clark’s constituency voted for him regardless of their political persuasion. If eg someone like Dominic Grieve was my MP I’d be tempted to vote for him but Johnson booted him out. I nearly voted Conservative once because I was tempted by a couple of things in their manifesto but, guess what. They never did them anyway so it’s a good job I didn’t.

As things stand today I will not vote for any political party in the next GE. I will spoil my ballot paper with a pre-printed message on an address label staying why I can’t vote for any of today’s incontinents. I don’t expect it to change in the next two years.

DaisyAnne

I think we need to remember that most people are not political in the way that we are. I have dear friends who are Dicken's description of Conservative but only one of them would consider themselves "political". I think, for some, this is all quite bewildering. Heaven knows what they will do if it is still like this, with this crew, by the time we come to a GE.

Yes, I know some too. And in the last few days their private pensions have lost a huge percentage, and their buyer (house) pulled out due to mortgage issues. They are suddenly coming to realise what they voted for!

When I first found out about Ayn Rand (thank you, twitter) a few years ago, once I'd got an idea of her 'philosophy' my thoughts flew immediately to Margaret Thatcher. 'There is no such thing as society'.

It;s not hard to find elements of Randean thought in both some political actors and in 'ordinary' people.

Her whole philosophy makes me feel ill.

GagaJo

kittylester

Why so aggressive gaga?

Irony

circumstances? Not surprising- as there are people on GN who voted for these destructive clowns, and are still intending to do so again.

Are you surprised people are angry?

Galaxy

Oh varian we share the fact that we have a Tory mp with past allegations against him. We dont even have the same Mp.
I would be quite grateful if people didnt vote Tory, I am in my fifties and we have lost 6ooo from our pension in 2 days.

Now where is Mark Francois these days- has he vanished? Or moved in with Ann Widecombe?

I think we need to remember that most people are not political in the way that we are. I have dear friends who are Dicken's description of Conservative but only one of them would consider themselves "political". I think, for some, this is all quite bewildering. Heaven knows what they will do if it is still like this, with this crew, by the time we come to a GE.