I am not interested in politics ...

I am not at all talking about GN- but in general, every day life. But on GN, about those who say that a subject is 'not political'- whatever that means, Or who want to avoid at all cost the fact that a subject which is 'not political' is actually strongly affected by a political side too.

Some subjects are not obviously / predominantly political in themselves, but decisions made politically may affect them. But if a poster here - or a person in real life - is asking for personal advice re, say, a health issue, then to widen the response to a (heated) discussion of the general political situation may be unhelpful, distracting, unnecessary and irrelevant. Yea

Yea?!

But, chuntering to friends as a mum concerned about the safety of her son (he might be 51 but I was there when he was born!) I don't want to hear about how it would be better without Brexit but the more human response of 'oooh I bet that worried you was he OK."

Fleurpepper

I am not at all talking about GN- but in general, every day life. But on GN, about those who say that a subject is 'not political'- whatever that means, Or who want to avoid at all cost the fact that a subject which is 'not political' is actually strongly affected by a political side too.

But the only context IS GN.
Outside this site none of us has any knowledge or experience of others’ lives.
Nobody knows more than members care to share - all of which could be fiction for all we know.
GN should not be confused with RL

That’s a good example of what I meant, kittylester

kittylester

But, chuntering to friends as a mum concerned about the safety of her son (he might be 51 but I was there when he was born!) I don't want to hear about how it would be better without Brexit but the more human response of 'oooh I bet that worried you was he OK."

Of course, the initial response should be exactly that.

But eventually, it may be good to ask what it happened and what can be done about it, in so many ways. To prevent it happening again.

The context is indeed GN, because this is where I have asked the question. But it is not about GN, but life in general, GN being part of it.

If in a discussion about a personal, human issue- one aspect on top of personal, cultural, human, etc, is directly related to politics, one totally deny it- here, there or anywhere.

Which is something that happens in RL, and is often noticeable on GN.

It’s possible that occasionally, in responding to a question on GN about a personal issue, one might - after having given appropriate advice - refer to the wider politics that might be affecting the matter. But that should probably not be the main thrust if one is trying to help an individual resolve their issue?

It’s not political - whatever that means🙇‍♀️

Again, FleurP it means, a poster started a thread looking for advice and support about a matter which was upsetting for her.
Your appearance on said thread, banging on about politics on her thread, wrong place, wrong time, out of order.

I am at a loss as to why you simply cannot accept the fact, politics was possibly the last thing said poster felt up to discussing. Unlike this thread, the other thread was not all about you!

Sarah74

It’s possible that occasionally, in responding to a question on GN about a personal issue, one might - after having given appropriate advice - refer to the wider politics that might be affecting the matter. But that should probably not be the main thrust if one is trying to help an individual resolve their issue?

100% agree Sarah.

Kalu

It’s not political - whatever that means🙇‍♀️

Again, FleurP it means, a poster started a thread looking for advice and support about a matter which was upsetting for her.
Your appearance on said thread, banging on about politics on her thread, wrong place, wrong time, out of order.

I am at a loss as to why you simply cannot accept the fact, politics was possibly the last thing said poster felt up to discussing. Unlike this thread, the other thread was not all about you!

You see Kalu, your post illustrates exactly what I was saying.

Mentionning, after other considerations, that a political aspect may well limit choices, or affect the possibility of changing one's mind, or... makes totaly sense. It is just part of the discussion, and relevant. And it is not 'banging about' either- that is incredibly rude. It is just one aspect, among many- but just because you, or some of you, feel that it should not be considered, should not be mentionned, does not make it irrelevant at all.

That is all, quite simple really. You and a few others are on the war path again- distorting and attacking, so I shall leave you to it.

It is being noticed btw. But people are just too scared to say so.

Sarah74

It’s possible that occasionally, in responding to a question on GN about a personal issue, one might - after having given appropriate advice - refer to the wider politics that might be affecting the matter. But that should probably not be the main thrust if one is trying to help an individual resolve their issue?

I agree Sarah74

It is rather like someone with a wound coming for help and someone rubbing salt into it instead of trying to find the kindest, gentlest way to use salve, soothe and help it to mend.

You and a few others are on the war path again- distorting and attacking, so I shall leave you to it

It is being noticed btw. But people are just too scared to say so.

🤔

Again?? Who, what? Who is scared of whom?

Have you been on GN before, Fleurpepper?

All very enigmatic!

No, Calli, it is not, at all.

It's like someone coming for a wound, and not getting a GP appointment, or an ambulance or waiting many hours in Casualty.

Most important thing is to get support, and treatment. When that is all done, it's worth discussing what went wrong and why, and see if it can be prevented next time.

🤔

I thought it was homesickness and most posters were suggesting ways to help the OP feel more settled. I hope the OP and her husband came to a compromise and the positive suggestions helped.

Anyway, it's another thread so this is in danger of being a thread about a thread.

Most important thing is to get support, and treatment

I thought that's what I said.

Fleurpepper

No, Calli, it is not, at all.

It's like someone coming for a wound, and not getting a GP appointment, or an ambulance or waiting many hours in Casualty.

Most important thing is to get support, and treatment. When that is all done, it's worth discussing what went wrong and why, and see if it can be prevented next time.

I was speaking metaphorically.

It wasn't an actual wound

Oh, the homesickness thread in chat, my apologies for previously thinking it was the train ticket thread in Travel.
Come to think of it, however, I am noticing how a disproportionate number of these discussions are ending up political?

Can I possibly suggest that if you notice that people are reluctant to engage with you on any topic of your choice (politics, pets, grandchildren, weight loss, health etc) it is probably because you have become a dead bore😱🤭

Aveline

I am not interested in being preached to about what I should or should not care about.

I feel exactly the same. Having someone else’s extreme views rammed down my throat is way beyond tedious to the extent of bullying.

I hardly bother with GN any more because of it. That’s sad because in the past we helped and supported each other through all kinds of sadness and difficulties.

We respected that our life experiences tended to mean we reached different conclusions but respected and tolerated each other.

The only positive aspect to this is the fact that the electorate hate to be bullied and treated like morons and it’s what cost the left wing elections.

Fleurpepper

Kalu

It’s not political - whatever that means🙇‍♀️

Again, FleurP it means, a poster started a thread looking for advice and support about a matter which was upsetting for her.
Your appearance on said thread, banging on about politics on her thread, wrong place, wrong time, out of order.

I am at a loss as to why you simply cannot accept the fact, politics was possibly the last thing said poster felt up to discussing. Unlike this thread, the other thread was not all about you!

You see Kalu, your post illustrates exactly what I was saying.

Mentionning, after other considerations, that a political aspect may well limit choices, or affect the possibility of changing one's mind, or... makes totaly sense. It is just part of the discussion, and relevant. And it is not 'banging about' either- that is incredibly rude. It is just one aspect, among many- but just because you, or some of you, feel that it should not be considered, should not be mentionned, does not make it irrelevant at all.

That is all, quite simple really. You and a few others are on the war path again- distorting and attacking, so I shall leave you to it.

It is being noticed btw. But people are just too scared to say so.

What is incredibly rude is joining another’s thread, which I repeat, was a poster looking for support and advice, not an opportunity for you to bang on about politics or however things are done in other European countries, highlighting, yet again, what a mess the UK is in ad infinitum as per usual. Tell me how that is helpful to someone moving back to the UK? So many negatives when what the poster needed was positives. Really?

Of course the thread is being noticed. Can you clarify what you mean by this, is it a warning from you?

Kamiso

Aveline

I am not interested in being preached to about what I should or should not care about.

I feel exactly the same. Having someone else’s extreme views rammed down my throat is way beyond tedious to the extent of bullying.

I hardly bother with GN any more because of it. That’s sad because in the past we helped and supported each other through all kinds of sadness and difficulties.

We respected that our life experiences tended to mean we reached different conclusions but respected and tolerated each other.

The only positive aspect to this is the fact that the electorate hate to be bullied and treated like morons and it’s what cost the left wing elections.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Kalu, it is incredibly rude to say such things, when you clearly have not a clue about what was being discussed.

'Tell me how that is helpful to someone moving back to the UK? '

no it was not about this at all- and the political aspect, eg changes due to Brexit, about a possible change of mind, were 100% relevant and directly linked (until the poster clarified that those restrictions did not apply due to EU passport. It would apply to all UK people without one of the above, eg 99.999%).

Thread about a thread now.

Just that really. Becoming more and more down and probably suffering from "the grass is always greener" syndrome. After three years of trying valiantly to settle back in England after 44 years of absence, nostalgic and homesick for France, Belgium and Switzerland. This country is in a terrible mess which doesn't help. Came back for the children but our DIL is taciturn, non-communicative with us due to the fact that she hates her own mother {her words not ours} so we don't see the GC very often, despite we moved from Dorset to Hertfordshire to be near them. Would love to go back etc etc
How funny that different people can interpret a fairly straightforward OP so differently.
Yes, there is that one sentence about the country being in a mess, but that was not the main focus as I read it, nostalgia for a past life, the difficulty of settling after 44 years as an expat, not seeing the GC despite moving nearer, what sounds like a fraught relationship with DIL - all of that.