I’m fuming!

MawtheMerrier

Calendargirl

A birthday lunch can be rebooked

Of course it can.

As can a vital operation, or urgent medical treatment.

Just depends on whether it affects you or yours of course.

Not necessarily - at 97 this lady’s days are almost certainly numbered, and urgent medical treatment is precisely that. Whether it affects you and yours or A.N.Other it constitutes unacceptable behaviour and were someone to die because of the delay I would hold the protesters collectively and personally legally responsible

I was not agreeing to the protests one iota.

My remarks have been misinterpreted, I fear.

I was meaning that the protestors might review their actions if it impacted directly on them or their loved ones.

Apologies if that came across wrongly.

I was about to go looking for the Roger Hallam video I saw last night, very disturbing. I'm sure he was the one, who when asked if it was acceptable if somebody died in an ambulance because it couldn't get through, replied 'yes'. Of course he'd know it wasn't someone of his that was in there. It never is. Other people are expendable.

M0nica

But what this group are doing is not passive resistance. Passive resistance works because of the huge number of people who support the cost.

This little group of vandalistic and selfish people, have no followers or any purpose beyond causing other people inconvenience and difficulty. Their antics lead to extra petrol and diesel being used.

I think a world wide campaign of passive resistance to governments not reacting fast enough to climate change would be wonderful and, probably could do more to accelerate the move away from carbon based fuels, than almost anything else.

If the population as a whole could be activated to do all they could within their own lives to reduce thei carbon footprint and if more and more people would write to their MPs, ask politicians at every opportunity about responses to climate change, then politicians will push the agenda themselves.

But sticking yourself to pictures and shutting motorways in the rush hour does b*gger all to reduce carbon emissions

I didn’t mean they were using passive resistance MOnica. M sorry it read like that.

It was a response to Wyllow who talked about her Quaker friends whose peaceful protests were ineffective.

I wanted to point out that passive resistance can be effective when it affects those who hold power or hits the pocket.

I hope that’s cleared up the mistake in my post.

Calendargirl

^A birthday lunch can be rebooked^

Of course it can.

As can a vital operation, or urgent medical treatment.

Just depends on whether it affects you or yours of course.

Not necessarily - at 97 this lady’s days are almost certainly numbered, and urgent medical treatment is precisely that. Whether it affects you and yours or A.N.Other it constitutes unacceptable behaviour and were someone to die because of the delay I would hold the protesters collectively and personally legally responsible

grannydarkhair

This is a video of Roger Hallam, the alleged founder of Stop Oil, Extinction Rebellion, etc.
This is a seriously creepy disturbed man.

twitter.com/calvinrobinson/status/1589685496287879169?s=61&t=k73OwJKx3NwBffBvysl-fA

I have seen that, he resembles a cult leader to me.

Exceptionally dangerous for vulnerable young people.

This is a video of Roger Hallam, the alleged founder of Stop Oil, Extinction Rebellion, etc.
This is a seriously creepy disturbed man.

twitter.com/calvinrobinson/status/1589685496287879169?s=61&t=k73OwJKx3NwBffBvysl-fA

vegansrock

They had to shut the motorway as the people on the gantry with huge posters distracts motorists who look at them and take their eyes of the road, causing a potentially dangerous situation.

I use the M25 frequently there is so much road signage and graffiti on bridges the odd banner would make no difference whatsoever to the regular commuter’s.

Just announced on the new that they are blocking the M25 again this morning, if it’s near me that is my entire day gone to pot and I will be fuming 🤬🤬🤬

They had to shut the motorway as the people on the gantry with huge posters distracts motorists who look at them and take their eyes of the road, causing a potentially dangerous situation.

The protestor yesterday was not in the motorway, she has climbed onto one of the gantries over it.

I’m the video she posted she looked well secured and in no danger of falling.

They should have left her there and kept the M25 open.

Calendargirl

^A birthday lunch can be rebooked^

Of course it can.

As can a vital operation, or urgent medical treatment.

Just depends on whether it affects you or yours of course.

People have waited ages for operations, people could also be I'll and in pain for longer, or even die.
I am sick of them, and I can say hand on heart, if I was one of the cars they stopped, I would happily help drag them of the motorway.

They are alienating the very people whose support they need. A few years ago Extinction Rebellion blocked a major road into a city - someone attempting to get to hospital to see their dying parent wasn't able to get there in time. When a spokesperson for the group was asked how they would feel if someone died because they were unable to get to medical help the reply was that it would be "an acceptable if regrettable occurrence"

I know a birthday lunch can be rebooked Argy but bear I mind my 97 year old friend who lives alone doesn’t have many more or any more birthdays to look forward to.

Nannytopsy what a dreadful position your Doctor son was in with such a sick baby.

I appreciate the urgency of the climate control issue which needs to be addressed in another way, not one that could cause death to a sick child.

We’re on the M25 today going down to look after our 2 grandsons for 10 days ! Bearing in mind DH has a heart condition I want a smooth journey. Fingers crossed.

A birthday lunch can be rebooked

Of course it can.

As can a vital operation, or urgent medical treatment.

Just depends on whether it affects you or yours of course.

I’d agree climate change needs to be top of the agenda rather than an afterthought. I’m not sure how the importance of it can be highlighted. I have been on peaceful protests but I wouldn’t be up for closing motorways or glueing myself to bridges, I agree doesn’t do much for the message. I don’t hate these protesters, but wonder how their dedication could be better channelled.

“No one needs to be reminded of the urgency of climate change”

Unfortunately @M0nica, the opposite is true, which is why catastrophic climate change is accelerating. A birthday lunch can be rebooked - survival of the human race cannot.

I agree, I cant support them.

But this, yes.

"If the population as a whole could be activated to do all they could within their own lives to reduce their carbon footprint and if more and more people would write to their MPs, ask politicians at every opportunity about responses to climate change, then politicians will push the agenda themselves."

But what this group are doing is not passive resistance. Passive resistance works because of the huge number of people who support the cost.

This little group of vandalistic and selfish people, have no followers or any purpose beyond causing other people inconvenience and difficulty. Their antics lead to extra petrol and diesel being used.

I think a world wide campaign of passive resistance to governments not reacting fast enough to climate change would be wonderful and, probably could do more to accelerate the move away from carbon based fuels, than almost anything else.

If the population as a whole could be activated to do all they could within their own lives to reduce thei carbon footprint and if more and more people would write to their MPs, ask politicians at every opportunity about responses to climate change, then politicians will push the agenda themselves.

But sticking yourself to pictures and shutting motorways in the rush hour does b*gger all to reduce carbon emissions

My son was the doctor on an ambulance with a very poorly baby a couple of years ago and they wouldn’t allow the ambulance through. All my sympathy was lost that day.

"Now let’s see, how can they reduce reliance on food brought in from great distances say."

well yes, that bit, and only driving when no choice at all and so on already being done by those I know, how do we get more to do that?

Ghandi.

How do you turn off auto correct?

Passive resistance has proved extremely effective in the past. Think Ghanaian and Martin Luther King.

I think it was Spike Milligan (maybe not, I can’t remember who) who closed down a chicken factory farm by offering shoppers free range organic eggs for nothing instead.

Now let’s see, how can they reduce reliance on food brought in from great distances say. Starting with themselves of course.

"They could use their superior intelligence to work out how to keep these activities in the public news."

Problem is, it's still a "how?".

Very little is being delivered at the COP conference, is it?

I'm a Quaker and a number of individuals I know have demonstrated in very imaginative safe peaceful ways and indeed tried to think it all through (with or without PHD's )

and no notice is taken.

I'm sorry to hear that Nankate.
I stayed at my daughter's in Kent last night, I live in Essex. I left her house at 7.45 this morning as I had heard that there may be disruption.
I think I just missed the chaos at J30.
I could see the queues on the other carriageway and really felt for all those being disrupted.
We need to get a grip and arrest these protesters before they start causing chaos.

Leading a movement of people consciously cutting their own carbon footprint and making a big deal of it. Not using any transport that uses hydrocarbons andonly travelling on vehicles either manufactured before we knew of the problem or produced in a carbon neutral manner. Buy only products with very low airmiles.

I am sure if they put their minds to it (and many of them seem to have or be studying for PhDs) they could show us all how to live a carbon neutral life. They could work for social organisations involved in insulating houses. They could use their superior intelligence to work out how to keep these activities in thepublic news. There is a lot they could do if they put their minds to it.

What they are doing at the moment is counter productive to their cause, so even sitting at home doing nothing would do more for their cause than what they are doing now.

The thing is Wyllow, I’m not sure anyone knows what their point is.

I mean Stop Oil Now sounds very grand but Stop Oil and what?

Stop oil and bike everywhere.
Stop oil and ground all planes.
Stop oil and have food rationing because we ship in a lot of food.

They don’t actually have any plan for a future without oil, do they?