Where are you from? Is it an insult?

Esspee

So if you are experiencing domestic violence and are shade X on the British standard colour chart But are not of African or West Indian heritage her lot won't help you?
Is that right?

Why don't you look up the mission of Sistah Space and find out what they do, instead of making glib and uninformed comments.

www.sistahspace.org/

There are endless organisations set up for specific reasons, if I go to a gay mens organisation which does work on sexual health for example, they wont help me, I imagine they would kindly point me to an organisation that would.
I think for example it's very important to have mental health support groups specifically for men.

volver

She has set up an organisation to meet the needs of a group of women whose needs were not being met be other organisations. A segment of society who have specific issues engendered by their religion and geographical location.

Women. Does that make it sexist?

Clutching at racist straws, now, aren't we?

Not at all. Just pointing out your double standards, as usual.

So if you are experiencing domestic violence and are shade X on the British standard colour chart But are not of African or West Indian heritage her lot won't help you?
Is that right?

She has set up an organisation to meet the needs of a group of women whose needs were not being met be other organisations. A segment of society who have specific issues engendered by their religion and geographical location.

Women. Does that make it sexist?

Clutching at racist straws, now, aren't we?

volver

25Avalon

Volver isn’t it racist to set up a help group for victims of domestic violence that is only for blacks?

No.

Next question.

Yes it is. Let’s set up a similar organisation for whites only. Let’s see what happens.

MerylStreep

I’m amazed that people are still insisting that the conversation was racist despite the fact that thousands of black people are supporting Susan Hussey, like this one.

twitter.com/nmeso4dworld/status/159797563600155852

As I said above. Black people have all sorts of views. Not everyone of black heritage has to agree its racist for it to actually be racist.

Link to tweet doesn;t work, BTW.

25Avalon

Volver isn’t it racist to set up a help group for victims of domestic violence that is only for blacks?

No.

Next question.

I’m amazed that people are still insisting that the conversation was racist despite the fact that thousands of black people are supporting Susan Hussey, like this one.

twitter.com/nmeso4dworld/status/159797563600155852

Volver isn’t it racist to set up a help group for victims of domestic violence that is only for blacks?

25Avalon

Listen to the clip on UTube of Nigel Farage talking about this on GB News. Read the comments especially those from bkack people. Watch the black man clapping Nigel at the end of the clip. I too now believe this was a set up.

Here's the thing about black people. They don't all think alike.

More racism in your attitudes for you there to think about there. 🙂

she was not querying her being born in this country

No? She asked her when she came here.

And apparently letting your hair fall over your shoulders in an obstructive and insolent manner, is behaviour deserving of all it gets.

I would write "stop excusing racist behaviour", but what's the point?

Listen to the clip on UTube of Nigel Farage talking about this on GB News. Read the comments especially those from bkack people. Watch the black man clapping Nigel at the end of the clip. I too now believe this was a set up.

But JJ does the person asking you go over and over it to get the answer they think on observing you…
of course asking someone where they come from isn’t racism

For all those saying it’s nothing you obviously have never had any of the attention that being black in a white country gets Yes you do get very personal questions that others wouldn’t get, you do get your hair touched/felt, commented on
You do get asked where you got your suntan from, you do get asked if you’re a white person with black kids… ‘when did you adopt them’ have you ever had your kids hair touched and commented on ‘oh it’s softer than I expected’ or ‘isn’t it curly’ ‘however do you manage to comb that’ They might be questions of interest but would you say those things to a white stranger or a mum and child ?? Would you stand in a bus queue and enquire if a white child with a white mum was adopted ?
It can happen many times and it starts to really prickle
I don’t think either parties behaved well I don’t think the elderly lady should have been sacked but she should have been made aware of her mistakes whether she would have learned is anyones guess

Whether you think it or not, Lady Susan's behaviour was racist.

She asked questions of a person of colour that she would not have asked of a white person. She clearly did not believe the first answers she was given, and either thought Fulani was being evasive or was just a bit mistaken about what "British" means.

Lots of things are racist, for instance sentences that start "Black people are quick to take offence.."

You might not think they are racist, but that's because you don't understand. You can learn from this or you can keep insisting that there was no racism involved and you love it when people ask which part of England you're from, you don't get offended at all so obviously Ms Fulani is just out to get the RF (or something).

Maybe she is an activist, and maybe she doesn't approve of the behaviour of some members of the RF. Good. Maybe she's not one of these people who will brush racism under the carpet because she defers to old aristocrats who don't know any better.

Lady Hussy was tactless bordering on rude that's for sure, and clumsy in her questions, but she certainly wasn't deliberately racist or abusive, on the other hand the lady in question must have realised that she was not querying her being born in this country, but when her family originated from. This is fairly obvious, So why not say? My paternal family come from Eire which I'm perfectly happy to divulge should anyone be interested enough to ask, so why should this have been a problem ? As for touching this lady's hair? Well again, as I understand it, Lady H was attempting to read her name badge,and although perhaps she shouldn't have done this, surely it is encumbant of someone wearing such a badge to make sure that it is clearly visible to other people and not hidden under long hair? Again no racist or abusive behaviour was intended. If the lady in question was offended or made to feel uncomfortable, then why on earth not have a quiet word with the orgniser of the event instead of running straight to Twitter and causing an uproar?

Not all black people are indignant.

mobile.twitter.com/ArchRose90/status/1598404720590086144

This was a set-up job!!!!

JaneJudge

Forsythia

JaneJudge

she can wear what she wants

And nobody said she couldn’t did they.. if I turn up to a function wearing a kilt and sporran people might assume I’m from Scotland. They’d be racist asking me I guess.

If you weren't Scottish and you turned up wearing Scottish dress it would be seen as cultural appropriation

It's not difficult to be respectful. Someone having heritage and being proud of that is different too, from what has happened.

I agree with you. This woman has culturally appropriated African dress and an African sounding name. Her real name is Marlene Headley. Her parents are not from Africa but the Caribbean. Cultural appropriation exactly as you describe. Still, let’s hope a few journalists dig a bit deeper to find out why she did this, growing up British and living in Hackney.

I get asked where I am from too as I have a regional accent which isn't from the area I live in, it's nothing like racism or any ism

Sadly it appears that black people are very enthusiastic to take offence about people's interest in their ethnic background - is it racist of me to think this? Are we not allowed to be interested?

I tried to make this point on the other thread as I too (white,
blond living in France)get frequently asked and yes like the
Polish nurse you get tired of it but I don't think its a racist.
I begin to think that Lady Hussy may have thought she was
not understood by the other lady and hence the repeated question.
Don't the media and the wokers just love such a situation.

This has to be my last word you will be relieved to know.
Lady Susan Hussey was crass, patronising, tactless, rude and showed her lack of education or indeed preparation for the evening.
You do not touch people’s hair . (Remember Princess Margaret brushing Peter Townsend’s lapel?)
If you don’t get an answer because the question was unwelcome, or one you don’t understand, you move swiftly on (as in, “Really, tell me about your organisation/work”)
You might realise that you cannot blanket assume “Jamaican” because somebody came over on the Windrush, and in any case “How fascinating- what brought them to London “ might be more tactful.
But all of these have been ignored in the outcry against SH, although to me, they are damning enough in themselves for a former Lady in Waiting and indicate time to retire, and be put out to pasture.
But racist? No.

However, these days the heinous crime is Racism.

Forsythia

JaneJudge

she can wear what she wants

And nobody said she couldn’t did they.. if I turn up to a function wearing a kilt and sporran people might assume I’m from Scotland. They’d be racist asking me I guess.

If you weren't Scottish and you turned up wearing Scottish dress it would be seen as cultural appropriation

It's not difficult to be respectful. Someone having heritage and being proud of that is different too, from what has happened.

Well said 25Avalon

Sadly it appears that black people are very enthusiastic to take offence about people's interest in their ethnic background - is it racist of me to think this? Are we not allowed to be interested?

I don't think they're very enthusiastic at all - I expect they're just very very tired of the same questions over and over, and putting up with those who won't accept the first answer.

I remember a young Polish nursing colleague a few years ago saying she was fed up with patients asking where she was from and upon hearing the answer, the response of 'it's a wonder there's anyone left in Poland'. That response was once spat out by a very famous television presenter!