Jeremy Clarkson

Keffie12

Forsythia

He’s telling his truth as he sees it. And aren’t we all entitled to do that now?

Have you even read what he said? It's msyogonist, racist, bile and sexually abusive. His secret fantasies about her and that he think she is worse than Nicola Sturgeon and Rose West.

That is not an opinion. Its utterly contemtable and enables those like it into thinking they can do it too. Look at the rape abuse, violence and murders going on and he is part of enabling that.

Yes words matter

Yes!

I would seriously query any remaining "fan" of Clarkson. They are now in a situation of letting this be "OK".

he think she is worse than Nicola Sturgeon and Rose West.

Sorry, that made me laugh.

Forsythia

He’s telling his truth as he sees it. And aren’t we all entitled to do that now?

Have you even read what he said? It's msyogonist, racist, bile and sexually abusive. His secret fantasies about her and that he think she is worse than Nicola Sturgeon and Rose West.

That is not an opinion. Its utterly contemtable and enables those like it into thinking they can do it too. Look at the rape abuse, violence and murders going on and he is part of enabling that.

Yes words matter

I agree, Wyllow. It's not just about Clarkson either - it is sending the message that this sort of misogyny is just unacceptable. Women's rights are already under threat, and the last thing we need is to have this sort of hatred login unchecked.

I agree the list of choices on the ipso list is inadequate. But you do get to elaborate it further into the form.

I put "discrimination" simply becuase it was the only viable option, but said more in the comments paragraph. FWIW, I think its just getting as many complaints in as psooible, and I felt others would have already made the points much better than me, and it's a numbers game now.

One word " Vile"

Indeed- the Government has refused to do so- so they are partly responsible.

That is just how I feel Dickens. I think their code of conduct should be looked at again.

icanhandthemback

Wyllow3

I'm suggesting that those who feel strongly might consider joining me in reporting Clarkson to the Independent Press complaints people.

Just fill in simple form online, and FYI the article was in the Sun on 17th December.

www.ipso.co.uk/contact-us/

For those who have filled in the form, what code of conduct did you think the Clarkson and his editor broke?

It would appear judging by ipso's code of conduct, neither of them broke any rules.

An opinion, bathed though it might be in misogyny, is not part of the code. Neither is misandry I would assume.

Ofcom took no further action after the police investigation of Joe Brand's 'battery acid' comment deeming that whilst it had the potential to offend, it was not likely to incite "the commission of a crime". Nigel Farage thought otherwise, though I don't believe, from what I gather, that it was him who asked the police to investigate, though he thought they should. I do wonder if he views Clarkson's comment in the same light.

However, Brand's apology was at least more meaningful than Clarkson's "oh-dear-I-seem-to-have-upset-a-lot-of-people" type apology. She admitted hers was "crass and ill-judged".

So it's not against any code of conduct basically to hate women or men - or in this case, a particular woman - and to make that hatred public.

My own opinion (not that I think it matters much) is that there are some deeply unpleasant people 'out there' - perhaps also emotionally and mentally 'unstable' (for want of a better way of putting it) whose own brand of hatred is vindicated by such comments. The online threats to high-profile individuals are coming from somewhere - those warriors of the keyboard who, allegedly, occupy their mothers' basements, poised and ready?

Wyllow3

I'm suggesting that those who feel strongly might consider joining me in reporting Clarkson to the Independent Press complaints people.

Just fill in simple form online, and FYI the article was in the Sun on 17th December.

www.ipso.co.uk/contact-us/

For those who have filled in the form, what code of conduct did you think the Clarkson and his editor broke?

I'm suggesting that those who feel strongly might consider joining me in reporting Clarkson to the Independent Press complaints people.

Just fill in simple form online, and FYI the article was in the Sun on 17th December.

www.ipso.co.uk/contact-us/

Very interesting here. Blaming the Government for refusing to agree to new Law that would have made it unlawful for Clarkson, and The Sun, for publishing this abhorrent stuff

fb.watch/hxXQa4DT7l/

VioletSky

I've always seen myself as a moderate but apparently I'm a far left not worth listening too because it's clear that sexism and racism are still a thing that need shouting at till they go away.

Allsorts? Sorry, which bit do you agree with?

volver

^Perhaps covert racism is too nuanced to grasp?^

I think you've got your answer Dickens.

Yep!

Very eloquently put VS,,first time I've agreed with you? Your post today. 7 am.

Whenever I hear the name "Jeremy Clarkson" I will see a picture of excrement.

volver

^Perhaps covert racism is too nuanced to grasp?^

I think you've got your answer Dickens.

Indeed.

I have just read an article in his defence stating "It was only a joke" - not to be taken literally.
But
How can it be a joke if it is not funny? Who laughs at someone being pelted with excrement and being twinned with Rose West? The imagery is awful in this "joke".
He may have got away with it last century but not in 2022.

growstuff

Whether or not people know the KKK (or other) history of the practice, surely the vast majority of people find the idea abhorrent. Unfortunately, there are some nutjobs around with vile views, who will see justification because somebody famous has suggested it.

Yes.
Clarkson has quite a following from his days on Top Gear.

Not that long ago there were calls for him to become Prime Minister.

You do realise the KKK came before GoT? Yes?

Oreo

hollysteers

Disgusting as it is, it’s not particularly racist.
Fraternisers in France at the end of WW2 had this shaming treatment as well as Irish people who acted in the same way.

It is disgusting and it probably isn’t racist.
Having watched GOT where the woman has to do the walk of shame, horrible but nothing to do with race as she was white.

and when the KKK did it- was it to white women?

Perhaps covert racism is too nuanced to grasp?

I think you've got your answer Dickens.

hollysteers

Disgusting as it is, it’s not particularly racist.
Fraternisers in France at the end of WW2 had this shaming treatment as well as Irish people who acted in the same way.

It is disgusting and it probably isn’t racist.
Having watched GOT where the woman has to do the walk of shame, horrible but nothing to do with race as she was white.

Iam64

Theexwife

Would there be the same outrage if he was talking about Boris.?

What on earth does this mean

Where is the connection ?

Kate1949

You can know about the KKK and not be aware of every single atrocity they committed.

True but back at the beginning a poster said she didn’t know about KKK as she wasn’t American I said I wasn’t French but knew of the existence of the guillotine etc. Not suggesting anyone had to know everything. About KKK