Charles may pay for Andrew's security

Excellent post M0nica.

I agree Iam, he should have known better than to have maintained his friendships with Epstein and Maxwell.

He was known as 'randy Andy', presumably because there was never a shortage of women happy to be with him. He'd have had no reason if he did have sex with his accuser, to have believed she was there against her will and had been trafficked.

MOnica is correct, legally
PA’s moral and ethical behaviour in maintaining friendship with Epstein and Maxwell was of a very low standard. I’m sure many men took advantage of sexual opportunities with the young women Epstein made available
I don’t see any evidence this is changing. Indeed sexual harassment, grooming, sexual exploitation seems to thrive.

Charles not letting Andrew have BP as residence. A security chap gives his account of Andrew he said he was supposed to vet everyone entering BP but Andrew was seeing so many laddies he was told to let them all in no questions.

Maybe ladies won’t turn up at Andrews other residences so easily now.

👍 M0nica

Violetsky Are you accusing him of rape or of being a man who likes indulging in coercive sexual behaviour.

Those are new accusations. What is the evidence?

Some of the women attending parties he attended with Phillip Epstein, had been coerced but not by Prince Andrew and he had no reason to know they were. Similarly there is no evidence that he ever sought out under-age girls. The woman involved was not under age under Britissh law and I think it unreasonable to expect him to have an encyclopaedic knowledge of the age of consent in every jurisdiction he ever visits.

I am not an apologist for PA, but I think people need to stick to the facts of what he did and what he was accused off. That he was the sort of man who liked living the high life with people of dubious probity who were happy to provide a life style for him for the cachet of his name: that he was the kind of man who prided himself on ignoring the advice given by other people when they warned him of the dangers of pursuing some of these friendships. This is known.

But it has never been alleged that he was a rapist or indulged in deliberate coercive sex.

Smileless2012

I haven't seen any "apologists" for PA paddyann. Saying that a case against him was never proved in a court of law, and that he isn't a convicted sex abuser are facts.

It doesn’t matter. For some, facts are only acceptable if you like them. For some, the law is only right if you like the outcome. Otherwise,
^’I'll be judge, I'll be jury,'
Said cunning old Fury:
'I'll try the whole cause,
and condemn you to death.’^
Is as true as ever.

VioletSky. Before or after the allegations?

Prince Andrew is like many powerful men who feel entitled to get what they want . We should leave the man alone now. If he has not learned the lesson he never will.

How many would be happy for their daughter or granddaughter to be alone with him?

Galaxy

He is very different to the men in my life thankfully.

Same x

It's his money, so it's up to him how he spends it surely? Anyway, how does the DM know?

He was called randy andy when i was a child, so his behaviour must have been going on for years

He is very different to the men in my life thankfully.

Smileless2012

I haven't seen any "apologists" for PA paddyann. Saying that a case against him was never proved in a court of law, and that he isn't a convicted sex abuser are facts.

Indeed. We really know only what we read.

IF the King chooses to pay for PA security, with his money, that's between brothers, not any of us posting here.

I am assuming they aren't posting on GN or MN.

The King and PA are not my nephew's friend or my second cousin's confidante, nor do I have any other way to "know" their personalities. I doubt either of them will email me the factual details of their lives.

He is a father, grandfather, partner of many years, brother, uncle, cousin. No different to many men ,

Yes, unfortunately it does need to keep being said doesn't it.

Over and over and over

I haven't seen any "apologists" for PA paddyann. Saying that a case against him was never proved in a court of law, and that he isn't a convicted sex abuser are facts.

Hopefully Paddyann52 you never photographed him, how accutely embarrassing that would now be!

Apparently Charles has kicked him out of his office at Buckingham Palace so Andrew can no longer use that as an address. If Charles wants to pay his security better than the tax payer doing so although we’ll pay in the long run. Bit of a difficulty here as Andrew is still high profile and still needs security.

Surely it’s up to Charles what he does with his money. None working royals don’t get paid for security and Andrew is a non working royal. I’m not sure why he was still getting security paid for as he doesn’t qualify as a working royal.

Callistemon Like you I trust my sources. A lifelong friend of DH and his son, our Godson We too have naval friends who served with PA. In naval circles, he was considered both arrogant and thick.

This is in direct contrast to Prince Harry who was considered to be a good army office, respected and liked by fellow officers and the men he commanded.

Obviously one must filter the stories that one sees in the media, but when someone gets a general reputation over many years and no one contradicts it, I think it is reasonable to assume it is true.

How else does anyone get any news about any one or anything. Is the Ukrainian war really happening? Did the Queen exist? has she died? I do not know if I am not to accept anything I have not experienced directly - and my knowledge of the Ukrainian war and the existence and death of the late Queen is all based on hearsay evidence. I haven't been to Ukraine, I never saw the Queen.

Callistemon21

Yes, me too.
But I trust the sources.

I trust the sources if they’re first hand. So when my nephew says PA was perfectly affable with him and his group, it must be true.
People say how it was for them-it doesn’t make it true for everyone and every story gets a personal opinion added, the further from the source it moves.
If you like someone, the personal twist will be favourable. If you don’t, the opposite will be added. Vis to wit the posts on H&M.

Of course I meant Maxwell ...one press magnate is much like another in my mind

Yes, me too.
But I trust the sources.