Do the Tales Get Taller?

I thought it was well established that Harry had mental health problems and made an effort to make mental health one of his issues?

Germanshepherdsmum

She grew up though, didn’t she? Accepted her role and got on with it - as well as excelling at equestrian sports and bringing up level-headed children for whom she refused to accept titles. What a difference.

Absolutely - and has earned the respect of many for doing just that.
PS: Good to see you back again, GSM. You have been missed.

Two final points (I hope) strike me. First Harry makes a big thing of being guided by his mother's spirit. Not sure how his current behaviour fits with her expressed wish to have him as William's wingman. Secondly his father made a joke about Harry perhaps not being his son. To my mind this is on a par with my parents often telling me that at least I knew I wasn't adopted because they would have sent me back! It's called a joke, it's what families do.

Thanks Blondiescot.

H&M are hardly in conspiracy with our government to keep the real news out.
The whole thing is a monumental mess up of gigantic proportions and is going to be talked about because people need to talk. To censor that would be rubbish.
Feel free to start a current news thread if you're worried we aren't in touch enough with other events.
What people choose to comment on doesn't mean they aren't paying attention to important stuff.

As a younger sibling of two myself I do have some sympathy with Harry's plight as "spare".

It's not confined to aristocratic families. I was annoyed by the narrative some years ago about Ed Miliband "stabbing his brother in the back" by not subsuming his own independent political career into David's.

I also feel the same about those younger siblings born into dynastic farming, fishing and other business families who aren't going to inherit the business but are expected to provide cheap labour at least until they can get away to lead independent lives, which may lead to estrangement from actual family for not "pulling their weight". There's a difference between being a willing participant in a family business and simply wanting to remain close to your family.

I feel even worse for those whose very existence is to be a source of organs and tissue for a chronically ill older sibling. where emotional pressure may be brought even into adulthood to forgo an independent life.

Deedaa

Two final points (I hope) strike me. First Harry makes a big thing of being guided by his mother's spirit. Not sure how his current behaviour fits with her expressed wish to have him as William's wingman. Secondly his father made a joke about Harry perhaps not being his son. To my mind this is on a par with my parents often telling me that at least I knew I wasn't adopted because they would have sent me back! It's called a joke, it's what families do.

Perhaps he doesn't want to be his brother's wingman. Perhaps he just wants to be his brother's brother. Perhaps he wants to be his own man and not an appendage of his brother. Perhaps he wants to think for himself and live his own life. Perhaps, based on what he's seen from the inside, he doesn't believe in monarchy.

To quote Sting, if you love somebody, set them free.

OnwardandUpward

H&M are hardly in conspiracy with our government to keep the real news out.
The whole thing is a monumental mess up of gigantic proportions and is going to be talked about because people need to talk. To censor that would be rubbish.
Feel free to start a current news thread if you're worried we aren't in touch enough with other events.
What people choose to comment on doesn't mean they aren't paying attention to important stuff.

I wasn't referring to GN chatting.
Yesterday Harry was mentioned in the national news before the state of A&E. Just wrong.

OnwardandUpward

H&M are hardly in conspiracy with our government to keep the real news out.
The whole thing is a monumental mess up of gigantic proportions and is going to be talked about because people need to talk. To censor that would be rubbish.
Feel free to start a current news thread if you're worried we aren't in touch enough with other events.
What people choose to comment on doesn't mean they aren't paying attention to important stuff.

Nobody has said they were. It's the media that are using Harry and Meghan as a weapon of mass distraction.

nadateturbe

Callistemon21

nadateturbe

^And I hate the way that this sort of thing keeps the real news out of the way.
Sunak must be delighted^.

I'm sure. Headline news, like we've nothing more important to talk about.
I do not believe they're telling lies.

I'm sure his tales of how he lost his virginity, his tales of Army life and other stories are true but much of what we perceive as true for one sibling may not be the whole truth as perceived by another.

Why tell at all?

Of course there are different perceptions of truth. We're getting it as H sees it. If the RF aren't willing to speak that's their problem.
I prefer to have compassion for someone who is obviously deeply troubled.

Yes, I've said previously that I feel sorry for him, he's obviously very troubled.

However, he can't realise this himself because he must know all the routes available to him for seeking help.

LadyHonoriaDedlock

OnwardandUpward

H&M are hardly in conspiracy with our government to keep the real news out.
The whole thing is a monumental mess up of gigantic proportions and is going to be talked about because people need to talk. To censor that would be rubbish.
Feel free to start a current news thread if you're worried we aren't in touch enough with other events.
What people choose to comment on doesn't mean they aren't paying attention to important stuff.

Nobody has said they were. It's the media that are using Harry and Meghan as a weapon of mass distraction.

Ah, true.

I wouldn't speak if I was the RF. I don't talk of estrangement to anyone off screen. It's private and I don't like being judged. I did tell someone once but then they always put their own judgement on and no one needs that. I smile and chat to people about other things because I can and because no one would even know what to say.

nobody has said they were. It’s the media that are using Harry and Meghan as a weapon of mass distraction

I’m wondering when the £350 million a week that Mr Johnson said Brexit would give us to fund our nhs is going to arrive. But hey, estrangement in the RF Is much more important. It must be, or the peasants would be revolting by now

LadyHonoriaDedlock

OnwardandUpward

H&M are hardly in conspiracy with our government to keep the real news out.
The whole thing is a monumental mess up of gigantic proportions and is going to be talked about because people need to talk. To censor that would be rubbish.
Feel free to start a current news thread if you're worried we aren't in touch enough with other events.
What people choose to comment on doesn't mean they aren't paying attention to important stuff.

Nobody has said they were. It's the media that are using Harry and Meghan as a weapon of mass distraction.

Meant to acknowledge lady Honoria’s quote - for which I thank her , it’s a cracker

I am not fond of the idea of people needing to talk and not be censored while also believing that Harry should shut up.

I am waiting to form an opinion until I have read the book. But from what I am seeing reported right now, my opinion is there is some major generational trauma that extends past Harry as well.

I do not envy royals anywhere at this point. Seems like a pretty dysfunctional way to grow up IMO. Makes my childhood look like a walk in the park.

Well, I spend a childhood being shut up and shut down because children "should be seen and not heard", invalidated , unsupported, unable to speak out or be listened to about anything. It's good to chat on GN about things I can't talk about off screen.

Talking is how many people process things. Other's don't have to join in with a conversation here on GN they aren't comfortable with, but they shouldn't feel the need to try and stop others from talking if they are benefitting from that.

I won't buy the book.

I grew up that way too and ended up estranged.

But Harry has every right to do the same thing. Even if it doesn't turn out well or is not what people want to hear.

Neither here nor there obviously. Just something I noticed.

I hope Harry is getting some very good mental health treatment right now.

Harry complaints (frfequently) about his privacy being invaded, yet he has said some horrendously personal things about Charles and William in this book which have been revealed in the interviews.

eg. he has announced that he is circumcised which was said in connection with saying that he had had frostbite on the tip of his penis ... and then went on to say that William was circumcised too.

He is a disgrace.

well that's hardly newsworthy.
i thought all the best people were.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ugx34wVEd4&t=340s

see first 3 minutes.

Yes they are being used as a Weapon of Mass Distraction. I agree it's wrong.
But I don't agree it's wrong to talk about it here.

I think the worst deal has got to be kids who were brought into this world just to donate a kidney , bone marrow or cells for an ill sibling. That has got to be the worst feeling. I also understand how a second child feels and it's not nice to be constantly less than, especially if the first child is a boy and your parents favoured a boy.

I am sorry I wasn't clear.

I do not think it is wrong to talk about in here.

I just observed that people are needing to talk about it (everywhere) while at the same time saying Harry shouldn't be talking about it.

I made an observation, that is all.

LadyHonoriaDedlock

OnwardandUpward: "H&M are hardly in conspiracy with our government to keep the real news out---What people choose to comment on doesn't mean they aren't paying attention to important stuff."

Nobody has said they were. It's the media that are using Harry and Meghan as a weapon of mass distraction.

Brother works in America. He called, announced "there is news, worldwide, more important than the RF. Can't even seat a house majority leader, floods, Ukraine. My colleagues want to talk about weekend football, but the lead 7am story (apparently by a footballer newscaster) was 'The Spare' FFS"

Mass Distraction. Brother was very impressed, must watch colourful language with clients and colleagues.

Well perhaps you haven't personally experienced Estrangement, which is fortunate for you who haven't.

I'm sure anyone who wants to can start threads about all the things they feel need highlighting, which are more prominent in most people's minds.

My DS2 made a comment on all this, this evening :

''We fight our family battles in public on Facebook, the royals wrote a book about it and make money''

Brother works in America

So it's top new in America too?

It's farcical, it really is.

It's one thing chatting on social media but when it's the main news here and in the States, something is wrong with the priorities of those who produce news programmes.

Weapons of Mass Distraction is a film. 1997.