A small boy shoots his teacher in US

Germanshepherdsmum

To bury the birds which have been shot is disgraceful.

More than- truly disgusting. I had no idea.

Germanshepherdsmum

To bury the birds which have been shot is disgraceful.

Truly disturbing in so many ways.

To bury the birds which have been shot is disgraceful.

tizliz I am surprised to hear that, perhaps only in Scotland? Around here it all goes into the food trade (retail, wholesale and catering). I think some, I do not know how much, goes into pet food.

M0nica

Bluebelle Leisure shooters, shoot for the table, either for themselves, or more often the game is sold on to butchers and hospitality venues, or to cull overpopulations of animals.

If they did not do it professional huntsmen/women would do it, and because of the demand they birds etc would still be bred to be shot.

Game is a cheap, nutritious healthy foodstuff.

We have a very exclusive private club here and one of the activities is pheasant shooting. After the shoot they get the diggers out and bury the shot birds.

I shoot but at paper only. Here in Scotland you are not allowed to forget to renew your licence. Mine is due for renewal in about 4 months so soon I will get my application emailed to me with a request for the fee, then the local policeman will ring to make an appt. I have to use my rifles or I will not get a renewal, that means proving I have been to the range and have bought ammo. I would find it very difficult to shoot someone at home, the rifle is in one safe, the bolt in another and the ammo in a third safe. By the time I had assembled everything a burglar would have been long gone 🙄

Just because someone loves shooting doesn't necessarily mean they are shooting game. They could be target shooting, clay pigeon shooting etc.

Bluebelle Leisure shooters, shoot for the table, either for themselves, or more often the game is sold on to butchers and hospitality venues, or to cull overpopulations of animals.

If they did not do it professional huntsmen/women would do it, and because of the demand they birds etc would still be bred to be shot.

Game is a cheap, nutritious healthy foodstuff.

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See I even find that statement unpleasant he loves shooting
I even think it s hideous to shoot animals and birds for pleasure or sport Especially when they are bred just to be killed by the hunting, shooting brigade.
That makes me shudder

My son in law was in the US Navy and it was through shooting that we originally met him. He has lived over here for nearly 30 years and, although he loves shooting, he thinks the US gun laws (or lack of) are insane. This means he is hardly on speaking terms with some of his family who now see him as a degenerate leftie and probably a secret communist.

Fleurpepper (*GSM*, thank you for your support and welcome back) I accept that what I wrote was not clear.

I was not saying Americans do not care individually when their own children or they themselves are shot, but rather that they are indifferent, as a society, to the deaths of other Americans of any age,

As for the majority being in favour of gun reform. As far as I know the gun reform most people support is not the wholesale reduction of gun ownership that we would consider necessary. It is minor measures, not owning machine guns, tighter controls of juveniles etc.

Here is a link to very reputable survey company in the States reviewing guns and gun policy in the US. Go well down the report and you will see the gun restrictions people actually want, none of them will have much effect on the shootings in that country and there are deep divisions about which tighter rules should be brought in. www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/

I have a very hypocritical mindset Iam. I will happily buy game, plucked and dressed, from the butcher! There’s a lot of game shooting round here.

I too am with Yammy. I think if you haven’t been brought up with the US gun culture, or lived with it for many years - which I haven’t - it’s impossible to understand.

Gsm my lovely butcher shoots game. If we are lucky, it’s for sale. He’s a lovely, gentle man who works his lab. He’s training his daughter’s spaniel and Is bemused at the difference in the dogs.

Im with Yammy, the us mindset is so far from ours

Chilling that such an advanced country in some ways think guns acceptable.

I think in the USA their mindset is different to ours. They are always quoting the amendments some of which were written when they got their independence from us and need to be modernised.
When my DD saw a gun in her friend's glove box she asked her why?Likewise the gun under the bed which was loaded by the way. The answer was to defend myself.She then asked from who and the answer was anyone who threatens me or my family.
I think we have a bit more "faith" in our police keeping the peace than Americans do.They are ever alert for attack.
The children did practise sitting under tables or in cupboards in case a gunman went into the school.
He would know what his gun would do even if it was an armed threat to start with.

Me too, Iam. It’s beyond my understanding. My husband shoots game, which I don’t understand and he knows better than to bring it home. Clay pigeons are my limit.

Never mind not find it easy, gsm, I find it impossible to understand the mindset of people amassing arsenals of weaponary a day taking pleasure in using it. Presumably to hunt shoot and kill defenceless animals.
We speak a similar language but I’m much more similar to other European cultures

Yammy

Oldwoman70

Like others I wonder how a 6 year old has access to a gun. Being in the UK I am not conversant with gun laws in US but I thought they had to kept in a locked cabinet.

I hope the teacher makes a full recovery. The child obviously has serious issues and I hope he receives the help he needs.

Probably by opening his mum's glove box or handbag. When she wasn't looking or in a shop.
My DD lived in the States and was horrified where she saw guns.
She went to find her DD who was playing hide and seek in a friend's house when she said it was Hometime GD came out from under a bed with a gun.

My first thought, too.

Do the right wing Republicans defend the right of a six year old to bear arms or did the constitution stipulate a minimum age?

It’s a different society to ours Hetty. Families have guns, go hunting and teach their children how to use them. The children in those situations see the damage that a gun can do to an animal. I don’t think it’s easy for us to understand the mindset of people who take pride in amassing huge arsenals of weaponry and take pleasure in using it. Whether the child came from such a background we don’t yet know.

I don't believe many of us know the damage a gunshot wound can do.
Damage can include bleeding, bone fractures, organ damage, wound infection, loss of movement and ofcourse death depending on the speed and path through the body.

it's just horrific. My first thought, too, was that a six year old simply wouldn't understand the results of his actions.

A little boy points a gun and pulls the trigger - 'Bang, bang, you're dead' everyday stuff (with a toy).

Deliberate? OK, he might have been copying all that violence he's seen on TV. Somebody annoys you - so you just shoot them. How can it be his fault - and how the hell did he get hold of a gun?

Fleurpepper yes, my post was shocking. I intended it to be so, I said so in the first sentence. And what is wrong with a post being shocking? We could do with more of them.

But what I was saying were the facts of the matter. Yes, there are people in the US opposed to the current gun regimes in every state, but they are vastly out numbered by those who want no change and some who would make the laws more lax.

The American people as a whole are prepared to tolerate all the deaths, including school children, and the event we are discussing will not even dent public opinion. The country is an open democracy, whatever Donald Trump may have done to muddy the waters, with fake news about cheating and manipulating polls. It is entirely within the American electorate's power to change the gun laws they choose not to. Sea changes on subjects like this come from the majority of the population saying no more - and that has yet to happen.

Every death is a tragedy to a family, but society, as a whole in the US seems not care. There is nothing that we can do, to stop the killing or change the laws. It is very different from dictatorships like Iran, who hanged two more young men today. The Iran government is not democratic, and these deaths arise from the population rising against their rulers and the laws passed.

I am not trying to stifle discussion there is much to discuss, in cluding why what can be considered an advanced and democratic country could support a gun regime that kills so many people, especially children and young people.

In England he would be well below the age of criminal responsibility, but even at six I would suggest that if he had access to a gun and evidently knew how to use it he would have a good idea of the damage it could inflict. Obviously more details will come out in due course.

Germanshepherdsmum

It’s said that it was a deliberate act, shelflife.

But surely a six-year old is not at fault!

He pulled a trigger that he should not have had access to.