A small boy shoots his teacher in US

Locked up in a proper gun safe separate from ammunition, your spouse must not know where the keys are kept.

Thank you, that is what I thought.

As far as I know. My gamekeeper friend has to keep guns locked in the locker. Ammunition must not be with it

That’s correct, it does - and ammo kept separately.

I thought even an unloaded gun has to be kept locked up.

No you are not.

One good thing our then PM, John Howard,did was to tighten up our gun laws here after the Port Arthur massacre. Before that loads of our road signs had bullet holes from people taking pot shots. Every man and his dog seemed to be able to get a gun ( but not those hideous things Americans get of course).

Grammaretto

Boogaloo if your legally owned gun is kept in a gun safe well away from ammunition (which is the law here for legal firearms)
How could it possibly be available to "protect" you from a would be assassin?

What is the actual Law in the UK. Are you allowed to keep loaded guns not locked up in gun case/locker?

There are far too many guns in the UK
West Mercia police, a large rural area report 30,000 Firearms plus 70,000 Shotguns in their area, all licensed, that’s an awful lot of guns to be supervised.

Callistemon21

It should make no difference in a case like this

Because America!

It should make no difference, but I am very sure it does.

It seems that Americans bear guns because they are afraid to be without them. Could it be that in countries which have stricter gun control, citizens are not so afraid? Where would you rather be?

So dreadful Callistemon but who knows how many more lives could have been lost in the intervening years had we in Britain not introduced tighter gun laws.

Vigilance is important too. Regular training for the inspectors and checking which applies in all areas of our lives. Complacency is dangerous.

I work in a food store and cafe. Every day the temperature of the fridges and freezers are checked and kept inspection ready. We have to. Sometimes I wonder why it has to be so often and then remember the poor souls who died from Ecoli food poisoning. (20 in Wishaw 1996)

Grammaretto

After the Dunblane massacre in 1996 there was a crackdown on gun ownership here and an amnesty to hand in firearms. I discovered that DfiL otherwise harmless owned a gun without a licence which he reluctantly had to part with.
Fewer guns in circulation. Fewer shootings. Simple.
To my mind the manufacturers are also implicated too.

I do hope no-one is forgetting the shootings in Plymouth not long ago.

An unstable young man had his gun licence renewed, against advice, for some unfathomable reason.

He killed five people including a little girl and injured two others before killing himself.

The killings happened just weeks after Jake Davison's shotgun and licence were returned to him by Devon and Cornwall Police.

After the Dunblane massacre in 1996 there was a crackdown on gun ownership here and an amnesty to hand in firearms. I discovered that DfiL otherwise harmless owned a gun without a licence which he reluctantly had to part with.
Fewer guns in circulation. Fewer shootings. Simple.
To my mind the manufacturers are also implicated too.

It should make no difference in a case like this

Why on earth would you ask that?

It should make no difference in a case like this, But does anyone know if the child was black or white?

Grammaretto

Boogaloo if your legally owned gun is kept in a gun safe well away from ammunition (which is the law here for legal firearms)
How could it possibly be available to "protect" you from a would be assassin?

That is what I would also like to know, Boogaloo. Either the guns are locked up and inaccessible or they are in your bag or by the bed for quick access. If they are within easy reach then surely children and teenagers can easily get hold of them? So what is the answer?

I m afraid I don’t buy your reason for being a gun owner (prospective user) Boogaloo we have just as remote areas in this and every other country with strict gun laws
You may own and use a gun for your protection but surely the burglar or house breaker will have one too so you are in no better position than anyone else It’s just the luck of the draw if you kill first or he/she kills first Lose/lose
I believe guns are the spawn of the devil
Yes we have knife crime here but usually you can only kill once with a knife (not good in fact bloody awful) but a gun can shoot many
The numbers of deaths in your country tell you the whole story the amount of shootings in schools is almost a weekly occurrence and how anyone can allow children to even touch a gun is beyond my understanding

In the UK civilians cannot have a handgun legally but there are a lot of licensed shotguns and rifles, the police are very tough on any misuse or threats involving firearms. Inevitably criminals do bring guns from Europe where they are much more available.

Children who saw this child shoot the teacher said he did so when the teacher wanted to take the gun away from him. She then shouted to the other children to run into another classroom and hide. I believe the child's parents have to take responsibility for not ensuring the gun was kept out of his reach.

Grammaretto

Boogaloo if your legally owned gun is kept in a gun safe well away from ammunition (which is the law here for legal firearms)
How could it possibly be available to "protect" you from a would be assassin?

The gun does not have to be big, a .22 ladies gun has little kickback and probably was kept in mums handbag. Easy to buy for just $200 deadly at close range.
Guns should be kept locked up but aren’t and it’s impossible to supervise

Boogaloo if your legally owned gun is kept in a gun safe well away from ammunition (which is the law here for legal firearms)
How could it possibly be available to "protect" you from a would be assassin?

Boogaloo In the USA there are 11 gun-related deaths for every 100,000 population.

In the UK there are 0.24 gun-related for every 100,000 population.

In other words for every UK resident killed by shooting over 45 USA residents are killed.

And, yes, in the UK most of the guns are in criminal hands, but look at the figures, I will repeat them for every UK citizen killed by shooting, over 45 USA residents are killed

Gun controls limit deaths by shooting, even when most of the guns are in criminal hands.

What I find difficult to understand is that in some ways the US is obsessed with the life of individual Americans, in that a single American under threat on foreign soil is treated as more valuable than any other human being. For example the recent trade of a US female basketball(?) player for a dangerous Russian(?) criminal. And yet they have no regard for the tens of thousands of citizens slaughtered every year at home in mass & other shootings. An excellent (but depressing) read is Gary Younge’s “Another Day in the Death of America” which is about the 10 children who are shot dead every DAY in the States. He takes a single random day and tells the story of each of those murdered CHILDREN.