Has anyone watched the 90 minute BBC documentary on Shamima Begum?

I think it's possible that one day her citizenship will be restored and she will be brought back to immdiately stand trial in a magistrates' court where she will be remanded in custody to await trial (for treason?) at a later date. She won't have an easy time in prison, so will she even want to come back to this country?

BlueBelle

metlotgran I would think the girls emotions are completely deadened in her need to exist I think she looked completely dead behind her eyes Everyone deals with dreadful things in the only way they know I ve heard of funeral directors joking together the same for any difficult emotional situations some people can’t cry or find words to soften it and others see them as hard hearted it’s often the only way they can exist

Everyone deserves a future

We give child murderers like Mary Smith and the Jamie Bulger killers a new identity and a new start sometimes it works sometimes, it doesn’t but they GET the chance

I agree with all of this.

It's what I was getting at when I said she could be traumatised. The chances are she has been hiding her emotions for years now, and will have been watching every word.

I also agree that everyone deserves a future, and she was a child when she left the UK. Letting her grow up in a camp and then complaining that she is older now makes no sense to me - it's like waiting for a young criminal to reach 18 to put them to death.

And yes - Mary Bell has never reoffended, and the James Bolger killers were a 50/50 success rate. We don't know that Shamima Begum killed anyone (as a woman she probably didn't) so why ca't she be given the same chance as they got?

I find her chilling.
There is an emotional deadness and lack of remorse which I feel was always part of her personality , enabling her to steal from and betray her family. She is colluding in the grooming that is clearly taking place now (but by whom?) to get her back to England, in exactly the same way she welcomed it when she wanted to leave, aged fifteen.
The interview was not nearly probing enough.
She will return, I am sure, but I hope the authorities keep a close watch on her for a long time.

* Welbeck* I think they are both dead and the girl that converted her is still with Isis

metlotgran I would think the girls emotions are completely deadened in her need to exist I think she looked completely dead behind her eyes Everyone deals with dreadful things in the only way they know I ve heard of funeral directors joking together the same for any difficult emotional situations some people can’t cry or find words to soften it and others see them as hard hearted it’s often the only way they can exist

Everyone deserves a future

We give child murderers like Mary Smith and the Jamie Bulger killers a new identity and a new start sometimes it works sometimes, it doesn’t but they GET the chance

what happened to the other 2 girls she left uk with?

The whole thing left me feeling extremely sad. Part of me is in the, ‘You’ve made your bed, now lie on it’ camp but would she really pose a threat to national security if she had her citizenship reinstated and returned to face trial?

Having said that I think the interview was too soft. She was clearly upset at the sight of her dead friend’s body after the bombing but completely unfazed by decapitated heads in bins. We’d have learned more about her if she had been pushed harder for accountability.

She has no future but then does she deserve one?

A loose cannon in a very unstable country. If she was groomed what could she be groomed to do next? If not groomed does she hold a grudge against Britain? Might she persuade others?
What I ask is where is her father in all this the last I heard was keeping out of it all in Bangladesh.Odd behaviour for a father,

I watched it and it just confirmed my belief that she was a naive and vulnerable girl who was groomed. I never did agree with her losing her British citizenship. She may be unlikeable, but I do think she should be brought back and dealt with in our courts.

Except I didn’t find the tv interview overly sympathetic Aveline. Searching questions were asked. Witnesses were produced who questioned Shamina’s perceptions.

Quite honestly I was impressed by the programme.
More so, I think, because I wasn’t expecting to be.

The time and place to hear her story is in court not in a sympathetic TV interview.

15 is a child she was exploited and whatever happened since we need to remember that! If it was our daughter or DGD age 15 would we want them vilified?

Agree with you Bluebelle. What amazes me is that the English girls from Bradford are considered groomed victims- and not Shemima. She was the same age. I imagine if some of the Bradford girls, now women, were interviewed on TV, some of them would not sound 'too good'!

I did wonder about the effect her Western dress - red nail polish, vest tee, baseball cap - was having on the other burka clad inmates in the camp. I thought she’d be targeted? Perhaps she is too high profile for such ramifications now? I know when she was first in the camp, holding her new born son, she was wary of saying ‘the wrong thing’ in front of the cameras. There was, in those early days, a burka clad woman (? enforcer) alongside her. No longer. I wonder why?

I did watch it and I feel extremely sorry for her ( as I always have) she made a stupid decision at 15 (we probably all have although not nearly as extreme of course) She was carried along with excitement probably feeling she didn’t fit in here and at 15 it would have seemed a big old adventure with her friends
She has had more heartache (losing her three children an abusive husband and life in refugee camps) in her short life than most of us have in a lifetime
She obviously doesn’t have a personality that cry’s and weeps and shows emotion and that’s how she’s managed but she is in distress never the less I don’t think for a minute she is a bad person a misguided and sad one without an ounce of hope
She should never have had her citizenship stripped from her it should be reinstated and we need to look after our own problems
I feel very sorry for her

I saw the documentary. It was good, and I didn't change my mind - I felt that she was groomed and in any case too 15 is too young for anyone to be held responsible for a stupid decision for the rest of her life.

She isn't very likeable, but that shouldn't be a good reason to deny her citizenship. There is no way of knowing whether she is traumatised by what happened to her (she was married off to an abusive husband, sent to live with a man known to the authorities for being violent whilst her husband was in a toture jail, and had five pregnancies, two miscarriages and three dead babies), and I don't think that she would get a fair trial anyway - it would make more sense to have her case put before a panel of experts, such as psychologists and agents specialising in terrorism.

The longer she is denied entry to the UK, the older she will be (obviously!) and the more likely it is that she will be 'got at' in the camps, whether that is to attack her or recruit her to the cause again, if she left it as she says.

there was a similar interview on This morning on ?Monday and this female was also groomed by ISIS but I found she contradicted herself as she said initially she was estranged from family and friends and was then influended online -and at end of interview she said she had support from family/friends? Hm m wasn't impressed felt she wasn't genuine -hope i'm wrong ..

in an interview she stated that she saw bins with heads of the beheaded in them and it didn't faze her.
that is a sick person...

I should imagine the security services will keep a close watch on her for many years, if she does come back.
Which should happen, IMO. Then, if found guilty of breaking the law she should be dealt with appropriately, in a British court.
I am still troubled by the ease with which she was stripped of her British citizenship and do not believe this was entirely legal. My own brother was born in a muslim country where we were living at the time -- he's an upstanding citizen but in the unlikely event that he fell foul of the law could the same happen to him?
(And he could claim dual nationality if he wished. I'm not sure Shamina could, she wasn't even born in Bangladesh)

If she comes back to the UK she will have to be watched for a long time for the safety of the British public and Shemima herself. Man power is thin on the ground thanks to cuts so we may not have the resources to be able to do this.
She may not get a custodial sentence so could be out to live a quiet life or hook up with others who may not have her or our best interests at heart.

I have also started to change my mind about SB but to be honest I then started to change it back again after watching this programme.

The shirt open to below cleavage, the manipulative manner and, in my opinion, obvious lying in parts. This was given away by the rapid blinking and swallowing at times.

I think we’re being taken for fools but, ultimately, she can’t be left in that camp forever. I do wonder who’s paying for her legal team, clothes etc?

As long as she’s no threat to British citizens in the future but is she?

I haven't watched it but I've heard a couple of the podcasts and intend to hear them all and watch the programme. She should be allowed back in the UK and face trial here. I believe she, along with her two friends, was groomed by ISIS and led into a situation where she was basically "prostituted". A friend who she was quite close to, had already joined ISIS and she fed the three girls a lot of lies which strongly influenced their decision. I can't begin to imagine what it would have been like for them once they were there, pretty horrific with no chance to return home and an awareness that they had to do as they were told or suffer the consequences. She's not a young woman who engenders sympathy but that doesn't mean she shouldn't be treated fairly and with some humanity.

I think she is our responsibility to sort out whatever the outcome. I haven’t seen the programme but have always believed this. Withdrawal of citizenship just pushes this to somewhere else.

I listened to it on R4.
To be a good lier you have to have a good memory. She tripped herself up several times
One of her boopers. She claimed that she had never seen jihadi
John. Further on ( in the interview ) she was describing an incident where she claimed the man was jihadi John.
Interviewer asked her how she knew it was jihadi John: she answered: I recognised him from his height and eyes.
No sympathy whatsoever. That’s putting my opinion politely.

Teenagers do not understand the concept of risk. Everything is a big adventure, that is why they so often get themselves into trouble. Thankfully not so catastrophic as that young woman.