Has anyone watched the 90 minute BBC documentary on Shamima Begum?

Most 15 year olds can read or see the news. They know what Isis stand for. They have carried out untold atrocities throughout the world, including here in this country which she now so wants to take her back.

I believe the greatest threat to the British Public is climate change in the longer term, and nuclear war in the shorter Maudi.

Terms and conditions? Good grief.

Ilovecheese

I think our Government has once again refused to take responsibility in exchange for what it imagines is public support.

I agree, I think she should be allowed to stay, with "terms and conditions" that could be revoked.

Islamist terrorism is still considered to be the greatest threat to the British public, according to the police chief

Yet we've let in 45,000 plus and counting illegals who have crossed the Channel in small boats who mostly have no identity papers what about the threat they pose, mainly fit young men who have been put up in hotels all across Britain 😡

I'm glad Begum has lost her appeal.

I worry that we are removing all hope and further radicalising her by not allowing her back to U.K. where she can be supervised. It can’t be much of a life in a refugee camp, and one she can’t have envisaged as an immature 15 year old.

I think our Government has once again refused to take responsibility in exchange for what it imagines is public support.

She's been denied, and personally I think this is the right decision. As Urms says, we must trust in MI5 and that they know the full story.

I think the authorities fear if they let Begum back in, it opens the door for other jihadists to return GG13.

Like you, I changed my mind after seeing the 90 minute BBC documentary but I do appreciate many factors are at play here. I think it’s best to place my trust in M15. They know more than I do. It’s hard to judge isn’t it?

From the Telegraph this morning (before the ruling):

“The case comes as counter-terrorism chiefs are braced to face down a renewed threat from extremists who, like Ms Begum, have travelled, or plan to travel, overseas to join militant groups. Matt Jukes, the head of counter-terrorism policing, said an increasing number of jihadists were being detected travelling to countries such as Syria, several years after IS lost its grip on the region.

Islamist terrorism is still considered to be the greatest threat to the British public, according to the police chief.

Authorities fear that if Ms Begum were to win the case, it could set a precedent that allows an influx of potentially dangerous jihadists. It has been estimated that around 60 British citizens are being held in indefinite detention in Syria after fleeing areas once controlled by IS. A greater threat could be posed by up to 150 terror suspects who have been stripped of their British citizenship and could try to challenge their own rulings if Ms Begum’s case succeeds.”

Several years ago I was part of the leave her where she is brigade.

I have since changed my mind and believe she is the U.K.’s problem, she was a U.K. Citizen and feel uncomfortable that her status has been removed.

I appreciate that we are not in receipt of the full facts however, if she is deemed to be that dangerous isn’t it better to have her here, either under lock and key or surveillance?

Leaving her where she is could lead to her radicalising others and a new generation of jihadi terrorists ready to seek revenge on the West.

Germanshepherdsmum

Her appeal has just been dismissed. I remember Javid saying ‘if you knew what I know…’. There are aspects which are matters of national security which we do not and will not for many years know about.

Yes, that is true. I really hope that her appeal was rejected with good reason. It seems to me very harsh, but as you say, we don’t know all there is to know.

That old chestnut comes to mind:
“If in doubt, do nowt”.

As you say GSM we don’t know the full picture.

Good.

Her appeal has just been dismissed. I remember Javid saying ‘if you knew what I know…’. There are aspects which are matters of national security which we do not and will not for many years know about.

She has lost her case. Breaking News.

She has a crack legal team.
I wonder who funds it? Charities I suppose. 🤔

Asking with no agenda here - I'm genuinely interested. How can those who believe that someone is only sorry they've been caught, or that things have gone wrong etc know this about someone they've never met?

I can sort of understand thinking that about a person you've known for years if you'd had experience of their lack of remorse about similar transgressions to the one in question, But a stranger, who has gone from being 15 to her early 20s, who is from a different culture from most of us on here, who has let three babies in five years - how can you be sure whether she is sorry or not?

To take SB out of it, how could someone on here know my motives for doing something, or whether I regret things that I say I do?

I just don't understand that way of thinking and am asking so I can try to understand.

Special Immigrations Appeal are deciding this morning whether she is to be allowed to return to U.K.

I wouldn’t trust her one bit; I think she’s very manipulative and changes her story to suit the narrative.
It suits her too well to be ‘sorry’ when it’s all gone wrong; she wasn’t sorry when completely innocent people were massacred.

Allsorts

My opinion of her hasn’t changed. She’s just sorry it went pear shaped.

agree.
i didn't watch much of the tv programme, but did follow the radio 4 series.
my view has not changed. she is not to be trusted.

I agree too with your comments, I don’t feel sorry for her but I do believe her experience could help with future radicalisations of young girls, surely she has suffered enough, she was groomed in Britain and it’s Britain that should decide her plight.

To add to my comment, I think she could be brought back to Britain and although not be free we could put her in some form of a detention facility and she could visit schools telling her story and be a warning to any other impressionable girls that the choices they make should be smart not stupid, don’t persecute her, use her experience, knowledge and now realisation that the choices she made were without doubt stupid, don’t set her free if that’s the majority decision but use her stupidity to educate to make sure nobody makes the choices she made, where are the safeguards when she was radicalised?

My opinion of her hasn’t changed. She’s just sorry it went pear shaped.

At the beginning of this I had no sympathy for her untill I watched this latest documentary, I’m married to an RAF Soldier and his opinions are very clear “she made her choice she’s a risk not worth taking” and I also felt that way untill I watched the with an open mind and thought back to my younger 15yr old self and what opinions I had and this was an eye opener because had she not had the pier pressure would she have glorified this new better life, had her parents been informed of the prior isis school girl issue would they have been able to sit her down and show her the actual facts that isis was a murderous organisation and a threat to our and other peoples country, would she still have made those choices ? I think not……. She was radicalised by her friend who was there and told to ignore any news coverage, that it was lies, what 15 yr old sits and watches the news? I know I didn’t !!!!! She took the word of the only person to make her feel included and that was charmina who was there already and no doubt brain washed also. Shamina and her parents were failed by the school and any other association that had any inkling to the trafficking and radicalisation of our British girls, my husband and I totally disagree he says she’s a threat and I say she’s learned a very hard life lesson but she is still a British responsibility and it should be up to us to re educate her on the systemic pressure she faced and to act as a warning to any other innocent naive girls who believe that joining isis is the right thing to do, by all means make an example of her but don’t persecute her forever I believe she has suffered enough…….