The consecrated oil for King's Coronation

Luckygirl3

You can be a believer without subscribing to this sort of hocus pocus.

I wonder how much this stuff is costing the taxpayers at a time when the cost of living defeats some poor families.

There's the "how much is it costing?.".....again.

Smileless2012

The C of E was established to break away from the church in Rome so doesn't require The Pope's involvement.

I knew that, only confused to Church teachings. All Churches are different, I know God will sort religious issues later. Just interesting to compare.

The C of E was established to break away from the church in Rome so doesn't require The Pope's involvement.

Davisuz

No as the Pope is Catholic.

I doubt The Pope is involved. But consecration without The Pope and Apostolic succession is quite a confusing thought, to me.

ExperiencedNotOld

It’s part of the tradition of this country, and long should it remain.
I really don’t imagine it’s costing anything much, let alone taking food from those in need.

You cannot be serious?! By no means do all monarchies bother with an enormous coronation event like this, as was mentioned upthread.
Security will cost a huge amount, let alone all the dressing up and transporting hundreds of guests around the capital. And those who genuinely care about the environment might think twice before asking all these foreign dignataries to fly here.
I feel differently about the ceremonials around the Queen's funeral: she had given her life to the service of the country, was a religious woman and had the funeral she had earned and deserved.
However times really have changed and many feel that all this religious ceremonial is less appropriate for someone who is, in all honesty, a head of state in name only.

Don’t worry cc the roasting’s been done up thread 😀

No as the Pope is Catholic.

Calendargirl

The same ritual would be done for the Queen’s coronation.

You just wouldn’t hear about it so much 70 years ago.

I watched the late Queen’s coronation On a small black and white tv in the village hall and well remember the anointing with holy oil. The Queen changed into a plain white dress and was shielded from view under a canopy. Afterwards she changed back into her coronation robes for the rest of the ceremony.

Both from the religious and the traditional point of view the consecrated oil is a necessary part of the Coronation ceremony.

Forgive me for pointing out that the fact that some of you feel it is inappropriate or have never heard of it before has no bearing on the actual ceremony.

No king has ever been refused his coronation ceremony because he was an adulterer! Everyone in 1902 knew perfectly well that Edward VII had had many mistresses during his marriage, and that Alexandra had "looked the other way". That did not stop the coronation.

Either King Charles III is crowned and his wife as well in a ceremony that resembles that of his forbears, or he decides that the whole idea of a coronation is inappropriate in our times, but no-one is likelyto change the central symbolic acts of the ceremony.

Eloethan

I suppose this is meant to signify that he is a special person. I think the whole thing is ridiculous.

So glad to hear that I am not alone, I thought I'd be roasted!

I suppose this is meant to signify that he is a special person. I think the whole thing is ridiculous.

Smileless2012

^If people aren't believers they wont understand anointing^ indeed Callistemon and as you say, consecrated oil is used in numerous church services.

Babies being baptised don't just have a smear of Waitrose Extra Virgin olive oil! very good.

Though a non-believer I can absolutely understand using consecrated oil with religious significance in a church service, but personally I don't see the crowning of a monarch as a part of Christianity. Or do we believe in the "Divine Right" of kings?

It could be suggested that the whole coronation event is just a way of cementing the Royal Family into our lives - I'm not particularly a Republican and indeed admire some members of the RF, but this palaver really isn't necessary.

Consecrated oil? I'm sure you can get it in Waitrose.

I love the idea of the oil being blended with orange blossoms - will the mix be available on Amazon?

Well no doubt

Um, there is doubt that you know what they think, biglouis and I doubt they would be happy for you to state categorically that they are not requiring a lavish public ceremony at my expense nor worried about the fact you were not consulted especially as you describe their religious practices as religious mumbo jumbo

Disrespectful.

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The Church of England is the Established Church in England.

biglouis how do you know what your neighbours think? Unless you know their views that is disingenuous and a sweeping statement with no foundation.

The funeral of Queen Elizabeth II takes place in Westminster Abbey on 19 September 2022. The order of service follows a traditional pattern but is notable for its inclusion of other faiths, other Christian denominations, representatives of charities and the NHS

It is expected that leaders of many other faiths than the Church of England will be at the Coronation.

Whether biglouis has been consulted or not.

We are still officially a Christian country and the Monarch is head of the state and the church. The new monarch is traditionally crowned in a ceremony on religious premises.

Mumbo Jumbo? Again why is it that only the Christian faith is derided and sneered at, while other faiths, and their traditions are respected, tolerated and of course never questioned or queried, quite rightly so too, but try being a Christian and,God forbid wear a symbol that advertises your faith, and you lay yourself wide open for ridicule. Burn a bible and no one cares, ,burn the Quran? prepare for religious wrath

Well no doubt many of my Moslem and Hindu neighbours on this estate indulge in what I would regard as religious mumbo jumbo but they are not requiring a lavish public ceremony at my expense and about which I was not consulted.

Grandma70s

The concept of consecrated oil is no madder than the concept of holy water.

Well quite.

Jaberwok

Mumbo Jumbo? Again why is it that only the Christian faith is derided and sneered at, while other faiths, and their traditions are respected, tolerated and of course never questioned or queried, quite rightly so too, but try being a Christian and,God forbid wear a symbol that advertises your faith, and you lay yourself wide open for ridicule. Burn a bible and no one cares, ,burn the Quran? prepare for religious wrath!

I agree with what you say Jaberwok. As you will be aware, it was prophesied that this is how it would be and boy is that prophecy coming true these days.

If they really must, they could take a small measure of olive oil and bless it. Likewise, a bottle of tap water, blessed by a priest ,would become holy water. Not that I care too hoots!

Franbern

Grandma70s

It’s interesting. I suspect postwar Britain was much poorer than today, but I don’t remember anyone saying the Coronation was a waste of money, or indeed talking about the cost at all. People just weren’t so money-minded then.

Oh No, we just knew our place so much better in the fifties.

The rich men in the castle, etc and we others at the gate, touching our forelocks.

Elizabeths coronation used to take our minds of the austerities of those post war years.

They are hoping this coronation will take our minds of fuel and food prices, etc. etc. this time round.

I agree with Franbern.

After all this time people are better educated and have more access to the wider world - would it not be odd for people NOT to question why one family are just BORN to be royal?
Or why resources earned by those ordinary people should be spent on that royal family's celebrations while the people paying are cold, hungry and even homeless?

The concept of consecrated oil is no madder than the concept of holy water.

Well I guess an example of magic might be the consecration of oil. For some that has supernatural (i.e. magic) meaning.