The consecrated oil for King's Coronation

All this mystical mumbo jumbo at the taxpayers expense. I have not time for it. I would have had more respect for Charles if he had settled for a "quick flick" oath taking in front of parliament as they do in the Scandi countries. Instead millions of pounds of public money is being wasted (yet again) at a time when many ordinary people struggle with basic bills. No wonder so many people are so appathetic to the monarchy now. Its not a good look.

Bridgeit

Same principle applies to Easter (eggs, bunnies)
Christmas, Birthdays ( trees ,baubles , pressies if you are very good )

No, that’s not true, sorry.
All of those things are Pagan symbols and traditions that have got mixed in with Christian celebrations.
They have nothing in common with holy oil at all.

..... and I guess that there are things the church now believes that it will not in the future ........ it's all such a moveable feast, a pick and mix smorgesbord to suit the ages we live in.

Yes parents who are believers of course want their children baptised, I did. I was talking about parents who are not, and normally never go near a church service, and like some church weddings, have it for the photos and to be seen to be doing the right thing. My parents and the high Anglican Church which we are, believed that a person couldn't enter the kingdom of heaven unless you were baptised and for that reason the unbaptised were buried in unconsecrated ground. I nearly died as a baby (Osteomyalitis) and was hurriedly baptised in hospital as a precaution, with I'm told Lourdes water.Ummm??!! I however do not believe this and these days neither does the Church.

More coronation twaddle and hype.

I was fully immersed when I was baptised. It was water, though ,no oil around. It was a symbolic act which I chose to participate in after I became a believer, nothing mandatory about it. The whole service was very meaningful for me and I will never forget it.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001jw6p

Our rivers are in a terrible state. There’s getting to be quite a bit of publicity about it - and hopefully some action.

Our rivers are absolutely no better. Sewerage anyone? Polio and other nasties has been found in Thames water.

No plans to clear it up either.

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Callistemon21

^My daughter was a bridesmaid for her Indian friend and they were meant to drink water that was brought back from the Ganges^

Having watched Sue Perkins' programme about the Ganges I wouldn't even water my plants with it!

Exactly she kept well away and said it looked like Dysentry never mind catching it from it.

Jaberwok

Children are always baptised with holy water in the C of E, the anointing with oil of a new monarch is totally different to welcoming a person into the fellowship of the Church. I sometimes wonder why some people have children baptised as they clearly don't believe in or understand anything to do with baptism. Better to let the child decide for itself when they are adults and can make an informed decision.
As for K.C or C being divorced, the Church is much more relaxed about this since 2002, and there is a precedent, George 1st was divorced in 1694, and was crowned King of England in 1714 without any problems.

Jesus wanted children to be brought to him.

Parents want that to, if they get them baptised.

My daughter was a bridesmaid for her Indian friend and they were meant to drink water that was brought back from the Ganges

Having watched Sue Perkins' programme about the Ganges I wouldn't even water my plants with it!

AskAlice

Genuine question, not intended to cause offence. When my babies were baptised oil wasn't used, nor was it used at my GCs christenings. The cross was made on their foreheads with water from the font - is it different with other Christian religions? We are C of E.

The water was meant to be from the river Jordan {maybe symbolic] but I've seen it coming out of the vestry tap!!! I'm Methodist. Baptists used to have a pool in their church and they fully emerged where I lived.
My daughter was a bridesmaid for her Indian friend and they were meant to drink water that was brought back from the Ganges.

What do people think of this news story about a Quran? Has a hate crime taken place or is it a load of old superstition?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-64835023

Lidl Greek olive oil is very good, btw!!

Yammy

What a load of expense Lidl oil never mind Waitrose would have done, whose to know? I thought this was meant to be a progressive Charles not a" Divine right of Kings one".

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Well, I supposed if it has been blessed but I don't think the C of E uses oil from Lidl for anointing.

I'll ask 🙂

25Avalon

I read something about it coming from near where Prince Philip’s mother or grandmother is buried?

Interesting.

Yes, Princess Alicess became a nun of the Greek Orthodox Church, I think. She was a brave woman who hid Jewish people from the Nazis.
She was buried at the Mount of Olives.

Thanks welbeck oil can be used at the discretion of the priest and is used by the C of E for ceremonies such confirmation etc.
When I was confirmed (C of E), holy oil was used.

Jaberwok

Children are always baptised with holy water in the C of E, the anointing with oil of a new monarch is totally different to welcoming a person into the fellowship of the Church. I sometimes wonder why some people have children baptised as they clearly don't believe in or understand anything to do with baptism. Better to let the child decide for itself when they are adults and can make an informed decision.
As for K.C or C being divorced, the Church is much more relaxed about this since 2002, and there is a precedent, George 1st was divorced in 1694, and was crowned King of England in 1714 without any problems.

Oil is used for anointing in many different ceremonies in the C of E.

Yes, they use just holy water for baptism in the C of E but oil is used in RC baptisms.

Jaberwock, who was your post intended to to be in answer to?

www.churchofengland.org/prayer-and-worship/worship-texts-and-resources/common-worship/christian-initiation/holy-baptism

extract from the church of england,
guidance on using the alternative baptism texts,

Signing with the Cross ↑
The roots of this signing lie in the enrolment of catechumens at the beginning of a period of preparation for baptism, a practice that has been renewed in many parishes. The alternative place for the Signing is immediately after the baptism. When the Signing takes place after the Decision, the minister traces the sign of the cross on the candidate’s forehead; s/he may use olive oil (also called the oil of catechumens). Parents, godparents and sponsors may also be invited to sign the candidate (with the oil, if desired). There is rich biblical symbolism associated with anointing: it is an image of cleansing, blessing, consecration to God’s purpose, and of preparation for athletic contest which is itself an image of ‘running the race’ of the Christian life (see 1 Samuel 16.13; Psalms 23.5; 45.7; 133.2). Many parishes use oil that has been blessed by the Bishop, and this is a reminder that each individual baptism is also an act of the whole Church

Farzanah

Humanism is not about ridiculing peoples beliefs Anniebach and GSM..
I said for those who believe in such stuff it can be very meaningful.

I think many are probably humanist in their beliefs but do not label themselves as such.

Humanists trust the scientific method when it comes to understanding how the universe works and reject the idea of the supernatural. We believe this is the only life we have and it is important to place human welfare and happiness at the centre of ethical decision making.

I understand that some find meaning and comfort in supernatural beliefs to help them navigate life. I don’t.

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Children are always baptised with holy water in the C of E, the anointing with oil of a new monarch is totally different to welcoming a person into the fellowship of the Church. I sometimes wonder why some people have children baptised as they clearly don't believe in or understand anything to do with baptism. Better to let the child decide for itself when they are adults and can make an informed decision.
As for K.C or C being divorced, the Church is much more relaxed about this since 2002, and there is a precedent, George 1st was divorced in 1694, and was crowned King of England in 1714 without any problems.

Anniebach

Water in the font has been blessed.

Indeed. I decided to read to see if I was remembering correctly.

Quote: John 1:32 – when Jesus was baptised, He was baptised in the water and the Spirit, which descended upon Him in the form of a dove. The Holy Spirit and water are required for baptism. Also, Jesus’ baptism was not the Christian baptism He later instituted. Jesus’ baptism was instead a royal anointing of the Son of David (Jesus) conferred by a Levite (John the Baptist) to reveal Christ to Israel, as it was foreshadowed in 1 Kings 1:39 when the Son of David (Solomon) was anointed by the Levitical priest Zadok. See John 1:31; cf. Matt. 3:16; Mark 1:9; Luke 3:21.

John 3:3,5 – Jesus says, “Truly, truly, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” When Jesus said “water and the Spirit,” He was referring to baptism (which requires the use of water, and the work of the Spirit).

King isn't being Baptised, nothing from our Church applies.